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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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the best of July 8 1947 the Army Air

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Forces has announced that a flying disc

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has been found and is now in the

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possession of the army

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game is rigged change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our difference is worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an aam threat from

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this is Fade to Black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and K

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I need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on The Game Changer Network

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bespoke radio

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the masses

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how you doing how are you doing one of

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our officers gave him

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a donut today's Wednesday August 4th

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217 days into the new year

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only 148 days left

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere

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it's a total undisclosed location but it

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it's goofing around today over

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at the making contact campus Mark Sims

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such an amazing Place making contact the

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making contact happen anyway so I was

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some shredding licks

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but you weren't there

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I would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hither and

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tether to and fro back and forth up and

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and near this is Fade to Black for kjcr

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the game changer networking kgra the

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our meals Jimmy Church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing what an amazing

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man man Whitley strieber last night Mark

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tonight Peter Robbins tomorrow night

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fader night man it's absolutely great

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around here love my job love my job Mark

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wow and uh that was the only time in the

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where we blew through overtime

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thank Mark Sims last night for for that

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conversation and emotionally obviously

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could you imagine so yeah there's got to

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Mark Sims absolutely incredible but

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UFO Community for so long and and you

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writers and and Peter Robbins is one of

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it is uh maybe not easy but a lot easier

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for them than it would be for me I'm

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uh my mind and I put a little list

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UFOs and and I was just reminded I left

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happens all right I posted up today a

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couple of things are coming up I've got

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a very very busy conference season uh

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that has been delayed from 2020 and 2021

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that is starting to kick up again

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there's a lot of things happening out

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there uh first up and I talked about

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this last night briefly uh with Mark

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Sims but uh the night before uh with

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and uh Danny Sheehan and is uh August

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18th through the 22nd five days 18th

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if you go to makingcontact.com you can

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see the list of speakers

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and Eric Weinstein I'm still Blown Away

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by that

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um and Chris melon and others okay so go

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and look at this amazing list now the

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is virtual now you have to understand

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what I'm saying this is in a world it's

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like a it's like a video game

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and it's an incredible complex it's

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called the making contact campus and

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it's an island all kinds of things to do

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and walk around and check out so over

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the next couple of days

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um all of that will be finalized I'll

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get the final links up I uh I went and

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designed my avatar today and and walked

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around the island which I've done this a

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few times but today I did it by myself

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and it's absolutely insanely great

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unbelievably cool so we've got a whole

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thing uh planned for all of you to go in

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advance of the conference

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get in there create your avatar walk

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around the island jump on one of the

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boats Drive the boat around the island

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go check out the beach check out the I

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told you it was a basketball court uh

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the nightclub go and walk around and

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look at things and figure things out go

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find the auditorium walk into the

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auditorium look around and see what's

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that it's insane it's insane all right

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seven days to get all set up and figure

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things out because this conference kicks

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off August 18th and you want to be able

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to go you want to get in there now check

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this out so this Auditorium it's an

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auditorium right I am going to be able

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to from the podium look out at the

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audience and you are going to be sitting

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in there I am going to be looking at 2

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000 avatars you I'll be able to Point At

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You you'll be able to raise your hand

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and ask me a question that's right I'll

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be able to I'll be able to it's it's

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it's crazy

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I'll be I'll be looking out at the

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audience and if you get up and walk out

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I'll see you it's like that it's

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insanely great it is so cool I had so

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much fun today and uh and it's fast it's

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and my avatar

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looks like me it's it's trippy it's

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really trippy and you can interact with

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your video camera and your microphone

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and and easy anyway okay so enough of

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that that's coming up August 18th oh

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well I had so much fun today doing that

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right here right yeah yeah and

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um uh so that's August 18th

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coming up the month after that September

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17th 18th and 19th conscious life Expo

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is doing a dual City dual country

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conference Los Angeles

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London Los Angeles London okay you need

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to go to conscious life Expo I put all

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of the banners up oh okay over for

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making contact Jimmy's save 100

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uppercase caps all caps Jimmy saving 100

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100 off the ticket price that's a

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five-day event and you are going to be

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gamified for five days it's gonna blow

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your mind man it's a that's that's a

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really good value

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um and then okay so conscious life Expo

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two cities I'll be hosting live in

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person at The Lax Hilton and that's

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going to go on I think for eight or ten

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hours uh that day uh every day and then

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we switch over to London

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from the Hilton in London and so the

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live stream will go here and then boom

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live stream picks up in London and if

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you want to go around the clock for 16

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hours you can also from London they can

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watch La before it's a really really

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cool great event now and that's if you

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don't want to attend in person you've

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got the streaming but you can also

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attend in person right and you can also

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do both you can attend in person then go

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home stay up all night and hang out with

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the London crowd also there's the

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replays and everything else okay so this

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is a big event

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two cities London and the United Kingdom

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consciouslifeexpo.com I got the banners

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up for that the promo code for that is

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Jimmy all you fade or nots with the

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promo code Jimmy 20 off get your tickets

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now and uh that's that's just incredible

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then it rolls around after that uh

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November I'm doing star Works starworks

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USA Laughlin Nevada at the Aquarius

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Resort and Casino in Laughlin that's

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coming up in November and uh wow and

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February is a conscious life Expo again

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back at The Lax Hilton and uh just lots

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of and of course conferences going out

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through 2022. also uh the websites are

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um you can now register for our trip to

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Egypt which is in March and that's two

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weeks that's two weeks in Egypt two

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weeks two weeks a five-day Nile Cruise

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you get a state room that's right Nile

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oh man so that's coming up so it is just

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going to be very busy and a lot of fun

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so there you go okay that's part of my

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day was putting all of this stuff

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together and finishing things up today

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it's absolutely uh incredible that you

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spend a year and a half inside and

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finally woohoo

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get to get back out follow me on Twitter

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at Jay churchradio

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J Church radio hashtag f2b is the

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sandbox on Twitter let's see everybody's

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hanging out there's Ken there's

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Cassandra there's Brian there's Brad

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Harris I like that I like that Brad I

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like that I like that a lot I like that

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a lot Eric Awakening man let's see what

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his Is that real oh that's cool

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that's cool is that like a speaker stand

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with a phone on the top

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Bluetooth man that's cool

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that's cool I'm gonna I'm gonna save

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this picture

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that's pretty cool

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save as what do I save this as Eric what

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do you even call that let's see I'll

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call that Jimmy

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phone stand

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that's pretty cool

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that's gonna get posted Jimmy phone

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stand

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saved stole it stole it

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email is Jimmy jimmychurchradio.com

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let's get to the breaking news

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Pete Parada the drummer for offspring

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said he was ousted from the band kicked

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out because he refused to get a coveted

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vaccine despite having already had covid

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and acquiring natural immunity

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Offspring has not commented on parada's

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statement Parada has played with the

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group since 2007 and is featured on

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their four most recent albums and he's

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saying you know what I get it I get it

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the band's got their priorities I don't

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have any negative feelings there you go

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but uh got kicked out

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kicked out also today

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members of the United States Senate

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Homeland Security and governmental

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Affairs committee

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released a bipartisan report that states

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that seven out of eight federal agencies

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that they reviewed

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still have not met the basic cyber

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security standards needed to protect the

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sensitive data they stored and

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maintained

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the eight departments are the

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Departments of Homeland Security

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the state department

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the transportation department Housing

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and Urban Development the agriculture

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and the Social Security Administration

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only one Department

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that's of Homeland Security was found to

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have an effective that was the one out

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of eight cyber security system in place

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in 2020. that's your breaking news let's

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get the show cracking happy birthday to

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today

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Billy Bob Thornton

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yeah what's that new TV series he's 66.

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what's that new TV series he's got out

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Billy Bob I mean right now

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it's getting away from me he's got a new

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series out I think he's on Amazon

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it's not Bosh that's Stars Bosh what's

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the one with Billy Bob man it was really

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good though okay anyway what makes Billy

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Bob

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on my list

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he's got a fender tattoo

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of my favorites of all time Max

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Middleton today is 75 years old and if

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you want to check out Max at his best in

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my opinion

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the Jeff Beck Group the orange album Max

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Middleton owned it

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Max Middleton today 75 years old

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Sepultura guitarist Max cavalera today

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is 52. our dead guys birthday today is I

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need a moment of silence please Robin

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Crosby

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yep 1960 to 2002 died at the age of 42.

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Robin as we all know

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was one of the original members of

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Mickey rat right play on Mickey Mouse

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Mickey rat later shortened to

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rat he would end up co-writing many of

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rat's songs and hits including

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round and round

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wanted man

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and lay it down the album out of the

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cellar went to triple platinum I think

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it went higher than that but they're

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saying it's triple platinum I think it

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just

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I think must have gone 10 Platinum but

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anyway

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in 2001

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Robin publicly stated that he had AIDS

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and had been HIV positive since 1994.

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that was in 2001. he had also been in

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and out of the hospital for eight years

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dealing with back problems and health

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issues associated with HIV his weight

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ballooned he was six foot five I've met

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Robin and hung out with him many times

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big guy big guy six foot five and he

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ballooned to over 400 pounds

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and uh it was just had as pain if

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pancreas shut down and it was uh it was

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just bad it was bad Robin died a year

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later after that public statement in

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2001 on June 6 2002 at his home in Los

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Angeles of a heroin overdose

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incredible Happy Birthday Robin Crosby I

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went today and listened uh to

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and you can do this on YouTube just look

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up uh YouTube uh Round and Round Robin

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Crosby isolated guitar tracks and it'll

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pop up right there and go and listen to

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just his guitar on one of the greatest

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songs in Rock history right round and

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round and it was always especially for

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us guitar players back in the 80s it was

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a difficult lick

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uh the whole song was difficult Warren D

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martini and that guitar solo but Robin

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that rhythm guitar

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is is difficult it just is and it sounds

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easy and it sounds

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no it doesn't sound easy he makes it

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sound easy I wouldn't listen to those

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isolated tracks today which I've heard

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before and it just reminded me that they

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were out there so I went and listened to

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them and man it's the sound it's a thing

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and it's perfect

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um Robin Crosby

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just absolutely incredible incredible so

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sad

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on this day in history

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1892.

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Lizzie Borden's parents are found hacked

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to death in their Fall River

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Massachusetts home yeah that's a good

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picture of Robin with the Flying V

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yeah

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I do was great that was a I was a great

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player thank you that Michelle Michelle

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coming in strong fader fact

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all right

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the guy that founded Tropicana Tropicana

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orange juice

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Tropicana his name was Anthony Rossi

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he found a Tropicana

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in 1945. he was an Italian immigrant who

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arrived into this country with 25 in his

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there you go you gotta love this country

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and that

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is your fader fact

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tonight Peter Robbins is back with us

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I'm very excited about the show tonight

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Peter is I will always consider him

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our ufologist at Large

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that's Peter our journalist at large our

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author at large our editor at large

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that's Peter Robbins Peter Robbins is

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with us he'll be joining us in a couple

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of minutes and uh I gotta hit this River

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Moon coffee

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man I just rambled I didn't say anything

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I said nothing at all

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said nothing at all let the critics come

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in

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Jimmy Church

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23 minutes 43 seconds

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said nothing

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Robin Crosby talked about that round and

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rivermoonwellness.com

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Brian

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thanks for the years of OJ that's

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classic all right now

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so

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Peter Robbins

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author

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and I could name a few right off the top

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of my head Don Schmidt right

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Tom Kerry

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I already mentioned Nick Redfern great

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writers they they know how to write a

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book

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and and going back to my early days of

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ufology

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and and what Don Schmidt meant to me

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these books coming in and and it was

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really funny I had a stack and it seemed

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like it just happened in a couple of

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years but I had a stack of Roswell books

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Aztec Corona Roswell stacked this tall

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and by the time different writers and by

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the time you you know you get to the

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10th one the 15th one you're starting to

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realize didn't I just read that before I

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did have I read this book before

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I feel like I've read did I already read

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this

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I love it right and so

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it's going through some of my uh books

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here some of my older ones and things

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that meant a lot to me over the years

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and I've got a list of 20 here

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but um that have to be red

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and one of them

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that I didn't read until I think three

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or four years ago I want to thank Laura

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London uh for pointing this out early on

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I hope she's listening flying saucers a

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modern myth of things seen in the Sky by

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Carl Young

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that is a necessary read the report on

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unidentified flying objects by Edward J

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rupelt an absolute necessity listen

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everything that I'm saying write this

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down the Mothman Prophecies by John Keel

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is an absolute necessary read the UFO

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experience by J Allen heineck an

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absolute

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00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:35,700
necessary read

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um a crash at Corona by Don Berliner and

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Stanton T Friedman an absolute necessary

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read

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Above Top Secret

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by Timothy Goode an absolute 100 percent

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must read

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the Andresen Affair by Raymond E Fowler

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an absolute necessary read that book

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will um

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100 percent guaranteed

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crazy dreams

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the Andreessen Affair read it it's an

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amazing book

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um communion by Whitley strieber I know

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you know it's it just it's so obvious

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but it is a necessary reading if you

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haven't read it read it finally this uh

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the movie is out now it's popping up on

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on uh Amazon after being gone for a long

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time but now you can go and check it out

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um uh the interrupted journey by John G

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Fuller

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uh that that book because it was written

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at the time of Betty and Barney Hill so

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you're getting it in real time uh it's a

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it's a very historical narrative as is

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the Andreessen affair

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um you uh Betty and driesen and what her

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00:29:05,149 --> 00:29:02,760
and her family went through and the way

562
00:29:07,690 --> 00:29:05,159
that the book is written

563
00:29:11,930 --> 00:29:07,700
um it's it's incredible it's incredible

564
00:29:14,210 --> 00:29:11,940
so uh I have other ones uh out there

565
00:29:16,130 --> 00:29:14,220
like I mentioned communion there's

566
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:16,140
another book called a report on

567
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,260
communion by Ed Conroy is uh something

568
00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:21,600
that you should check out did I mention

569
00:29:24,889 --> 00:29:23,880
the messengers of deception by Jacques

570
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:24,899
valet

571
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:28,799
right these are books that you have to

572
00:29:33,889 --> 00:29:31,440
have in your library and you have to

573
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:33,899
read them you just do

574
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:36,799
um Above Top Secret by Timothy B Goode

575
00:29:43,570 --> 00:29:39,600
is essentially

576
00:29:46,730 --> 00:29:43,580
a collection of documents

577
00:29:50,210 --> 00:29:46,740
and a collection of first-hand accounts

578
00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:50,220
and I learned more in that book at that

579
00:29:56,810 --> 00:29:54,600
time this was 19. early 90s

580
00:29:59,870 --> 00:29:56,820
um somewhere in there I don't remember

581
00:30:02,330 --> 00:29:59,880
the exact year but it was early 90s and

582
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:02,340
it became such an important book for me

583
00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:05,760
and I remember uh Richard Dolan telling

584
00:30:10,190 --> 00:30:07,500
me the exact same thing it was like the

585
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,200
first book and for me it was the only

586
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book for a long time Above Top Secret

587
00:30:18,649 --> 00:30:16,080
and it's it's 30 years old now it's got

588
00:30:21,769 --> 00:30:18,659
to be 30 years old it's got to be this

589
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:21,779
is Fade to Black speaking of authors we

590
00:30:27,049 --> 00:30:23,279
got one of the best tonight with this

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00:30:30,610 --> 00:30:27,059
Peter Robbins is here and uh author at

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large editor at Large

593
00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:34,500
ufologist at large that's Peter Robbins

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he is with us very excited

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00:30:41,630 --> 00:30:39,960
he's got a great show that's on Monday

596
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nights right before Fade to Black of

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course meanwhile here on Earth I'm gonna

598
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talk about all of that who is Peter

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Robbins

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I want his best stuff tonight we're

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gonna do all of that I'm Yours Timmy

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church this is Fade to Black and The

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Game Changer Network and kgra the planet

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I'll be right back with Peter Robbins

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you're listening to Jimmy

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00:35:54,829 --> 00:35:51,230
all right Welcome Back Fade to Black I

694
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our guest tonight how do we top last

695
00:36:02,930 --> 00:35:58,740
night's show

696
00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:02,940
I mean is that possible yes it is it is

697
00:36:08,329 --> 00:36:04,680
so the pressure's on Peter Robbins

698
00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:10,609
Peter Robbins is here

699
00:36:14,930 --> 00:36:13,560
such mad respect for Peter and uh we're

700
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:14,940
gonna have a great conversation tonight

701
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:18,240
and I'm gonna jump outside of Peter's

702
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,680
comfort zone I'm gonna do it from the

703
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,839
gate all right so that's that's my

704
00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:23,520
promise to Pete I'm watching him now you

705
00:36:28,609 --> 00:36:25,560
guys can't see him but he just he just

706
00:36:32,329 --> 00:36:28,619
fidgeted he's just he's kind of like you

707
00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:32,339
know and and I get that I can't wait for

708
00:36:35,690 --> 00:36:33,780
this he's an investigative writer he's

709
00:36:37,550 --> 00:36:35,700
an author lecturer who's writing and

710
00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:37,560
research or focused on the subject of

711
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:39,180
you know of course UFOs and their

712
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:41,940
implications to humanity he's appeared

713
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:44,280
on a guest on way too many shows I don't

714
00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:47,520
have the time to get into all of it but

715
00:36:51,650 --> 00:36:49,320
Ancient Aliens History Channels britons

716
00:36:54,589 --> 00:36:51,660
Roswell Unsolved Mysteries Good Day New

717
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:54,599
York The O'Reilly Factor take that off

718
00:36:59,329 --> 00:36:56,700
uh we're gonna take that one off Fox New

719
00:37:02,569 --> 00:36:59,339
York the real Roswell Nat Geo of course

720
00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:02,579
Sci-fi channel documentary UFO Invasion

721
00:37:07,930 --> 00:37:06,300
Ed rendlesham and the good stuff is he

722
00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:07,940
hosts right before Fade to Black

723
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:10,920
meanwhile here on Earth that's Monday

724
00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:13,140
nights right here on kgra I would like

725
00:37:16,490 --> 00:37:14,940
to welcome back to fade to black and I'm

726
00:37:17,930 --> 00:37:16,500
going to say this out of the gate is

727
00:37:20,810 --> 00:37:17,940
Peter Robbins Peter where have you been

728
00:37:22,609 --> 00:37:20,820
man it's been too long

729
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:22,619
um

730
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:25,200
yes you got me out of my comfort zone

731
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:27,000
um mostly tucked away in central New

732
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:31,200
York State on my vast uh fully fenced in

733
00:37:36,589 --> 00:37:34,200
uh compound here in central New York

734
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:36,599
just outside of Ithaca home of Cornell

735
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:40,500
University yes and uh you're not that

736
00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:43,200
far from uh sir Dolan

737
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:45,660
that's right an hour and a half as the

738
00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:48,780
crow flies or as the car drives and uh

739
00:37:53,569 --> 00:37:51,300
we come we commute fairly regularly back

740
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,579
and forth yeah yeah he's such a great

741
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,680
guy but it's not about Richard bleep and

742
00:37:59,930 --> 00:37:58,079
Dolan tonight Peter it's about you it's

743
00:38:03,530 --> 00:37:59,940
about you and

744
00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:03,540
um uh I wanted to I'm gonna discuss a

745
00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:05,700
few things uh first off I don't think

746
00:38:10,730 --> 00:38:08,760
most people know that Peter was a folk

747
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:10,740
singer in the warehouse District of New

748
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:14,880
York at one time and uh so the he's

749
00:38:17,690 --> 00:38:15,839
looking

750
00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:17,700
what

751
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:21,000
um but uh it was really funny because uh

752
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,400
you went wow the guitars and I and I

753
00:38:29,210 --> 00:38:25,680
stopped right there and I thought about

754
00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:29,220
your your your family's musical

755
00:38:35,150 --> 00:38:32,760
background and I I can we talk about

756
00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:35,160
that a little bit absolutely

757
00:38:39,950 --> 00:38:37,320
um Can can we talk about your sister

758
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,960
yes absolutely tell everybody who your

759
00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:42,000
sister is and absolutely blow their

760
00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:45,180
minds yeah uh my sister Helen performed

761
00:38:50,089 --> 00:38:48,060
under the name of Helen Wheels uh I

762
00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:50,099
believe it was before the McCartney song

763
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,260
came out but she was part of the first

764
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,480
wave of the whole New York punk movement

765
00:39:00,829 --> 00:38:56,880
had her first band hitting the stage the

766
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:00,839
Hell on Wheels band at cbgb's in 1976

767
00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:05,520
and opened in grew closer to a lot of no

768
00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:07,980
names like the Ramones and the talking

769
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,180
heads and Blondie and Iggy and

770
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:14,640
television Richard hell and the voidoids

771
00:39:19,370 --> 00:39:17,700
television yeah yeah Patty Smith on and

772
00:39:22,010 --> 00:39:19,380
on down the pantheon

773
00:39:24,589 --> 00:39:22,020
she was probably best known to some

774
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:24,599
people as writing a number of wonderful

775
00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:26,700
hits for the Blue Oyster Cult who she

776
00:39:32,569 --> 00:39:29,700
was associated with for 30 years really

777
00:39:35,150 --> 00:39:32,579
Albert Bouchard their founding drummer

778
00:39:38,329 --> 00:39:35,160
uh joined her band when he left the cult

779
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:38,339
and is still a dear friend of mine uh

780
00:39:45,950 --> 00:39:41,760
Helen won gold and platinum records for

781
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:45,960
songs on the iconic boc album

782
00:39:50,810 --> 00:39:48,660
um agents of Fortune and I have to say

783
00:39:53,690 --> 00:39:50,820
with more than a little pride I am

784
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:53,700
probably the only person in ufology who

785
00:39:59,089 --> 00:39:55,680
also has been awarded gold and platinum

786
00:40:01,450 --> 00:39:59,099
records for that same album for work and

787
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:01,460
art Direction

788
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,319
she was a remarkable person a great

789
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,440
artist a great poet and one of the

790
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:09,359
kindest and most extraordinary human

791
00:40:15,410 --> 00:40:12,240
beings I've ever met I'm biased of

792
00:40:18,349 --> 00:40:15,420
course we lost my sister in January of

793
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:18,359
2000 but she certainly packed more into

794
00:40:23,690 --> 00:40:20,460
her 50 years than most people could

795
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:23,700
possibly do in about a hundred and can I

796
00:40:28,329 --> 00:40:26,000
say

797
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,339
stunningly beautiful

798
00:40:33,490 --> 00:40:30,079
I mean

799
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,500
seriously it's just incredible the hair

800
00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:35,760
the look

801
00:40:42,170 --> 00:40:39,240
um and she was she was in shape she was

802
00:40:44,270 --> 00:40:42,180
in shape she was actually um she she was

803
00:40:47,770 --> 00:40:44,280
like when she stage Act was so physical

804
00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:47,780
right that she suffered a lot of

805
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:50,460
performance related injuries she was

806
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,440
doing Mosh Pit jumps a decade or so

807
00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:54,960
before they want more mosh pits nobody

808
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,900
would really catch her and that kind of

809
00:41:02,030 --> 00:40:59,760
encouraged her to take better care of

810
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:02,040
herself but ultimately to get dead

811
00:41:06,349 --> 00:41:03,599
serious about becoming a female

812
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:06,359
bodybuilder and in her weight class

813
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:08,220
about I'm guessing about a hundred

814
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:11,520
pounds soaking wet all 4 11 of her she

815
00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:12,960
was a ranking National female

816
00:41:18,410 --> 00:41:16,020
bodybuilder for some years as well as a

817
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:18,420
trainer as well as a nutritionist as

818
00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:21,839
well as a great scholar and one hell of

819
00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:24,300
a performer and writer yeah the fader

820
00:41:29,690 --> 00:41:25,740
knots are posting pictures of her right

821
00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:29,700
now this is great and uh Hell on Wheels

822
00:41:36,829 --> 00:41:33,180
band at cbgb's right there wow I got

823
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:36,839
some flyers up uh in the feed yeah very

824
00:41:44,030 --> 00:41:40,680
look she she was just incredible looking

825
00:41:47,150 --> 00:41:44,040
yeah she also was um among her other

826
00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:47,160
talents she after her getting her degree

827
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:48,900
in English literature which she didn't

828
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:50,700
want people to know about you know when

829
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,260
you're creating your artist's Persona

830
00:41:57,470 --> 00:41:54,480
you want people to think you just kind

831
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:57,480
of by spontaneous combustion burst into

832
00:42:01,609 --> 00:41:59,640
flame and appeared on East 6th Street in

833
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:01,619
the East Village fully formed and ready

834
00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:04,440
to go but she was also a graduate of the

835
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:07,500
French fashion tailoring Institute and

836
00:42:12,349 --> 00:42:10,319
before she got a big break she was

837
00:42:14,930 --> 00:42:12,359
making like one-of-a-kind Leathers for

838
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,940
rock groups in the mid 70s and

839
00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:17,040
ultimately her then boyfriend and two

840
00:42:21,890 --> 00:42:18,900
more times over the next 30 Years Albert

841
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:21,900
Bouchard said why don't you let's take

842
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,460
some of your poems because she was a

843
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,160
fine poet let us put them to music and

844
00:42:30,290 --> 00:42:28,079
run them by the guys and see if anybody

845
00:42:32,210 --> 00:42:30,300
likes him and they went gold and they

846
00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:32,220
went platinum and the rest is history

847
00:42:38,030 --> 00:42:34,920
but she made her own her own costumes

848
00:42:40,609 --> 00:42:38,040
and had a very fine sense of makeup a

849
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:40,619
great sense of self-promotion and a

850
00:42:45,710 --> 00:42:43,740
wonderful Act of being the most menacing

851
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:45,720
four foot 11 creature ever to walk the

852
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:47,880
earth but in fact she was a bit of a

853
00:42:52,490 --> 00:42:49,980
cream puff behind the scenes and again

854
00:42:54,349 --> 00:42:52,500
one of the kindest loveliest people you

855
00:42:57,470 --> 00:42:54,359
could ever want to meet Jimmy yeah yeah

856
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,480
did she um I'm looking at her arms here

857
00:43:02,210 --> 00:43:00,000
and some bodybuilding stuff did she ever

858
00:43:03,470 --> 00:43:02,220
did she ever did she ever give you one

859
00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:03,480
to the chin

860
00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:06,420
no but I like to stay on the right side

861
00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:08,280
of her she could probably bench press

862
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:12,300
you yes you know top form

863
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:15,960
um and it was intimidating there's um

864
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:18,720
you know she really was a legend in a

865
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,079
lot of people's minds and uh when she

866
00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:24,480
passed a lot of people mourned and her

867
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:26,940
New York we had two memorials for the

868
00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:29,940
one in the city was in the basement of

869
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:31,740
an old building on the Lower East Side

870
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,319
originally an old synagogue that was now

871
00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:36,240
a community center over 200 people

872
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:38,940
showed up right a mixture of actors

873
00:43:44,569 --> 00:43:42,000
performers relatives Hell's Angels loved

874
00:43:46,609 --> 00:43:44,579
her because she wrote a song that became

875
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:46,619
kind of their iconic Anthem Brotherhood

876
00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:49,500
of Outlaws and it even spread to English

877
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:51,720
chapters and

878
00:43:57,890 --> 00:43:54,660
um won Upstate uh some months after the

879
00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:57,900
fact but still lives large in a lot of

880
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:00,599
people's minds now and her music I must

881
00:44:05,450 --> 00:44:03,359
say has aged very well I always thought

882
00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:05,460
like can we clear up some of the urban

883
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:07,500
myth here

884
00:44:11,569 --> 00:44:10,200
um so did McCartney write Helen Wheels

885
00:44:13,069 --> 00:44:11,579
about her

886
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:13,079
no

887
00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:17,119
um once I mean it's spelled it's spelled

888
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:19,800
semi-regulars right at Max's Kansas City

889
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:22,920
uh listening to you know Lou Reed when

890
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:25,920
he broke in and so many wonderful iconic

891
00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:28,380
acts he was there and I remember it was

892
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:29,940
a big deal he was in a booth in the

893
00:44:34,490 --> 00:44:31,920
corner but no

894
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:34,500
um she got her name from the then lead

895
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:37,380
singer in the mid 70s or 76 when she

896
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:40,319
broke in of the great New York punk

897
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,300
group the dictators oh yeah handsome

898
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:44,640
dick Manitoba yep who named her Helen

899
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:46,680
Wheels as a pun for Hell on Wheels which

900
00:44:51,710 --> 00:44:48,960
he certainly was so but completely

901
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:51,720
separate Helen Wheels Legends and myths

902
00:44:58,430 --> 00:44:55,920
yeah too much of a coincidence you know

903
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:58,440
okay all right that's Paul's story let

904
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:01,680
him stick to it then okay all right but

905
00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:04,319
um this is the other part though so

906
00:45:08,569 --> 00:45:06,060
you're you're hanging out with Blue

907
00:45:11,150 --> 00:45:08,579
Oyster Cult you know and and you're

908
00:45:14,089 --> 00:45:11,160
running around in New York in in the

909
00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:14,099
Rock circles like this

910
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,260
um were you like on the side of the

911
00:45:20,109 --> 00:45:18,720
stage during uh Don't Fear the Reaper

912
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:20,119
and Godzilla

913
00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:23,040
this was before Godzilla

914
00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:25,020
um I was their photographer for a time I

915
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:26,940
was on the stage in some performances

916
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:29,520
and I remember one

917
00:45:34,849 --> 00:45:32,400
out of town performance maybe a 5 000

918
00:45:37,790 --> 00:45:34,859
person venue I'm taken out in the pitch

919
00:45:41,329 --> 00:45:37,800
Darkness I find a great shot I've got my

920
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:41,339
Nikon F2 I am totally ready to rock and

921
00:45:49,309 --> 00:45:45,180
get great shots and I find you know what

922
00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:49,319
I think is kind of a a a a low propped

923
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,260
sit on and uh as their shows always used

924
00:45:59,210 --> 00:45:54,000
to begin the announcer would go ladies

925
00:46:01,250 --> 00:45:59,220
and gentlemen the Blue Oyster Cult and

926
00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:01,260
the flashpots would go off all along you

927
00:46:05,770 --> 00:46:04,020
sat on a flashlight I was sitting on one

928
00:46:10,910 --> 00:46:05,780
yeah

929
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:10,920
laugh now it blew me into a bank of

930
00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:12,960
Marshall amps and knocked me out

931
00:46:18,890 --> 00:46:16,380
and they began with me unconscious off

932
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,900
to the side of the stage I I know

933
00:46:23,890 --> 00:46:21,119
because these guys were my friends they

934
00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:23,900
were concerned but they had a show to do

935
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:26,760
and they were all fairly optimistic that

936
00:46:31,550 --> 00:46:29,940
I had survived and apparently the

937
00:46:36,290 --> 00:46:31,560
Roadies couldn't get me

938
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,300
um and after a fashion I came to and

939
00:46:40,910 --> 00:46:38,640
with great humiliation crept off and got

940
00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:40,920
my shots from the corner but for the

941
00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:43,140
rest of the show something didn't smell

942
00:46:47,690 --> 00:46:45,900
right oh mess there's something wrong

943
00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:47,700
and it wasn't until after the show that

944
00:46:51,470 --> 00:46:49,260
I came off

945
00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:51,480
and people were looking at me funny and

946
00:46:54,109 --> 00:46:52,980
I went into the dressing room and I

947
00:46:57,770 --> 00:46:54,119
looked at me to see why they were

948
00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:57,780
looking funny assless chaps half the

949
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:00,300
hair on my head had been singed like a

950
00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:03,599
chicken right it smelled bad it looked

951
00:47:08,690 --> 00:47:06,660
worse and I was stubborn enough to wait

952
00:47:12,890 --> 00:47:08,700
a day or two to get a haircut I guess

953
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:12,900
hoping I could force it back but no we

954
00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:15,599
had a lot of fun and um I haven't

955
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,500
laughed that hard innocent time and um I

956
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:21,359
remember a good deal of it all things

957
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:26,220
considered so uh Peter uh it's the 70s

958
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:30,000
it's an arena it's Blue Oyster Cult a

959
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:32,880
little did you do a little

960
00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:34,920
more than little

961
00:47:40,609 --> 00:47:38,339
um but Jimmy I came of age in the 60s I

962
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:40,619
took my first LSD trip when it was still

963
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:43,079
legal in America and it was Sandoz

964
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,319
pharmaceutical Swiss manufactured and my

965
00:47:53,150 --> 00:47:48,960
relationship with it was a great teacher

966
00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:53,160
I learned a lot I was very much alive in

967
00:48:00,609 --> 00:47:56,099
the 60s and you know I'm psychedelics

968
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,619
were my friend and ultimately I you know

969
00:48:05,329 --> 00:48:03,359
discontinued using them but I used them

970
00:48:08,030 --> 00:48:05,339
a great deal back then and that's really

971
00:48:09,790 --> 00:48:08,040
the reason why you see in front of you

972
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:09,800
this

973
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:14,640
wasted drug-addled babbling Hulk of in a

974
00:48:20,270 --> 00:48:16,559
shell of a former human being how did

975
00:48:22,849 --> 00:48:20,280
you start to put words together

976
00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:22,859
you know you know and I was and the

977
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:25,980
reason why I ask I have such

978
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:29,880
great respect and admiration for an

979
00:48:36,890 --> 00:48:32,880
author of a book any book it it doesn't

980
00:48:40,430 --> 00:48:36,900
matter there's so much discipline that

981
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:40,440
it takes and you have to overcome so

982
00:48:45,950 --> 00:48:43,380
many things to even get words on a page

983
00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:45,960
and then get them to a point where

984
00:48:50,089 --> 00:48:48,300
somebody else can appreciate them yeah

985
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:50,099
and not close the book and put it on the

986
00:48:55,069 --> 00:48:52,559
Shelf they finish the book because you

987
00:48:57,890 --> 00:48:55,079
you know you've drawn them in I have so

988
00:49:00,589 --> 00:48:57,900
I I don't know if I could have that kind

989
00:49:03,049 --> 00:49:00,599
of discipline when did you realize you

990
00:49:06,829 --> 00:49:03,059
could put words together

991
00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:06,839
let's go back to when I first started to

992
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:09,960
read I'm still severely dyslexic and I

993
00:49:14,809 --> 00:49:12,420
have to compensate in a number of ways

994
00:49:16,849 --> 00:49:14,819
I wasn't I was about eight when I first

995
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:16,859
fell in love with reading and was

996
00:49:24,109 --> 00:49:20,160
competent enough to tackle you know

997
00:49:25,490 --> 00:49:24,119
um books that were challenging

998
00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:25,500
um one of the first books that I read

999
00:49:30,109 --> 00:49:28,440
was my father's copy of 20 000 Leagues

1000
00:49:33,290 --> 00:49:30,119
Under the Sea I still have it it was

1001
00:49:36,109 --> 00:49:33,300
published in 1920 falling apart but a

1002
00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:36,119
precious book to me I then read

1003
00:49:40,910 --> 00:49:39,240
um Tom Sawyer which was very challenging

1004
00:49:44,030 --> 00:49:40,920
and I remember my parents talking to me

1005
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:44,040
about the book after but I could hardly

1006
00:49:50,450 --> 00:49:46,559
believe what the world of words was

1007
00:49:54,650 --> 00:49:50,460
taking me into and I always been an Avid

1008
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,660
Reader when I went to art school after

1009
00:49:59,450 --> 00:49:56,480
studying art for two years in University

1010
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,460
my only intention and desire was to be a

1011
00:50:04,609 --> 00:50:01,920
painter a serious new york-based painter

1012
00:50:06,650 --> 00:50:04,619
and a very successful one and years

1013
00:50:09,950 --> 00:50:06,660
before I even thought about writing it

1014
00:50:13,250 --> 00:50:09,960
was my dear girlfriend Christine back

1015
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:13,260
then love of my life who pointed out to

1016
00:50:19,549 --> 00:50:16,980
me that my paintings were mutating and

1017
00:50:22,849 --> 00:50:19,559
going from Fairly traditional Works in

1018
00:50:25,849 --> 00:50:22,859
art school to more modern to

1019
00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:25,859
white paint on Masonite that I was

1020
00:50:28,970 --> 00:50:27,900
scratching words into with the back of

1021
00:50:30,829 --> 00:50:28,980
the brush

1022
00:50:32,089 --> 00:50:30,839
I thought well you know who what does

1023
00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:32,099
she know

1024
00:50:38,329 --> 00:50:34,920
um ultimately though when I was in my

1025
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:38,339
earlier 30s and thought I can make words

1026
00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:42,000
I can make pictures with words I decided

1027
00:50:47,329 --> 00:50:45,540
I would try my hand on it and I started

1028
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:47,339
by writing

1029
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,160
what I remembered from childhood the

1030
00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:51,920
layout of my grandparents apartment

1031
00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:55,500
walking to school with a paper bag in

1032
00:51:00,290 --> 00:50:57,540
the rain with a sandwich in it

1033
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:00,300
I didn't show anything to anybody for a

1034
00:51:06,589 --> 00:51:04,319
full year I just kept writing and at a

1035
00:51:09,530 --> 00:51:06,599
certain point I think I I showed Helen

1036
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:09,540
uh and then a few friends and then

1037
00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:13,440
ultimately in the later 70s I submitted

1038
00:51:19,549 --> 00:51:17,400
an article to a now long defunct

1039
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,559
publication

1040
00:51:24,589 --> 00:51:21,599
um ancient astronauts it was actually

1041
00:51:26,089 --> 00:51:24,599
called in the late 70s uh one that uh

1042
00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:26,099
one of my first friends in the work Tim

1043
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:28,740
Beckley had turned me on too and they

1044
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:31,200
accepted the article and I got a hundred

1045
00:51:36,530 --> 00:51:33,920
dollars and all of a sudden I was a

1046
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,540
professional writer yep you can't take

1047
00:51:39,950 --> 00:51:38,160
that away it was another article right

1048
00:51:41,569 --> 00:51:39,960
then it was my first conference paper

1049
00:51:43,010 --> 00:51:41,579
then

1050
00:51:44,690 --> 00:51:43,020
it was

1051
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:44,700
The Power of Words

1052
00:51:49,069 --> 00:51:47,280
could I possibly ultimately tackle a

1053
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:49,079
book length project and ultimately I

1054
00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:50,579
found one

1055
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:53,400
took a long time very rewarding blew up

1056
00:51:57,710 --> 00:51:55,680
in my face years later wrote several

1057
00:52:00,290 --> 00:51:57,720
others mostly have concentrated on

1058
00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:00,300
smaller pieces of writing I will say

1059
00:52:04,609 --> 00:52:02,460
although I will give no details I'm

1060
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:04,619
working on something now that will

1061
00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:08,160
reveal itself sometime next year and

1062
00:52:11,089 --> 00:52:08,819
um

1063
00:52:13,490 --> 00:52:11,099
I hope I always keep a hand in it

1064
00:52:16,609 --> 00:52:13,500
because I think it's important because

1065
00:52:20,270 --> 00:52:16,619
it inspires hopefully other people to

1066
00:52:22,809 --> 00:52:20,280
put down their thoughts or the story

1067
00:52:26,270 --> 00:52:22,819
they want to tell and let's face it

1068
00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:26,280
storytelling is one of the oldest Arts

1069
00:52:32,690 --> 00:52:29,460
we human beings have and something that

1070
00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:32,700
you me a lot of our colleagues share and

1071
00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:34,980
I am proud of my storytelling telling

1072
00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:38,460
abilities my only rule of thumb is my

1073
00:52:43,549 --> 00:52:41,400
stories are all true but many of them do

1074
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:43,559
not sound that way because of the life

1075
00:52:50,290 --> 00:52:46,559
that I've lived I'm living still yeah

1076
00:52:54,170 --> 00:52:50,300
yeah yeah yeah yeah for certain and

1077
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,180
uh when like this current this current

1078
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:56,240
project that you're working on

1079
00:53:02,329 --> 00:52:58,079
do you

1080
00:53:04,609 --> 00:53:02,339
you know I'm gonna write so many pages

1081
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:04,619
today I'm going to do a word count today

1082
00:53:11,170 --> 00:53:07,920
and and and that's your goal or you

1083
00:53:14,210 --> 00:53:11,180
don't get to eat lunch right

1084
00:53:17,569 --> 00:53:14,220
not on this one not on this one it's

1085
00:53:21,530 --> 00:53:17,579
much more organic I have plenty of other

1086
00:53:24,890 --> 00:53:21,540
obligations in the work that we do

1087
00:53:26,690 --> 00:53:24,900
um in obligations that I choose to have

1088
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:26,700
to friends or proofreading their stuff

1089
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:31,520
of writing a forward or a blurb or

1090
00:53:36,829 --> 00:53:34,319
sitting down with somebody and imparting

1091
00:53:37,609 --> 00:53:36,839
what I know doing editing work

1092
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:37,619
um

1093
00:53:42,410 --> 00:53:40,079
there's other projects I have been much

1094
00:53:44,809 --> 00:53:42,420
more rigorous with myself about and the

1095
00:53:48,410 --> 00:53:44,819
best writers that I know in terms of

1096
00:53:50,510 --> 00:53:48,420
quality and output are they have a work

1097
00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:50,520
ethic that's ferocious I mean you know

1098
00:53:55,930 --> 00:53:52,980
you look at Kevin Randall he told me he

1099
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:55,940
stopped counting when he had his

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00:54:00,049 --> 00:53:58,800
125th book yeah yeah yeah yeah I've

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00:54:02,510 --> 00:54:00,059
talked to him about that a couple of

1102
00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:02,520
times yeah Nick Redford exactly these

1103
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:04,380
people are amazing

1104
00:54:12,410 --> 00:54:09,180
um yeah yeah and okay so but but I wanna

1105
00:54:13,569 --> 00:54:12,420
I wanna better understand the process

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00:54:15,890 --> 00:54:13,579
um when

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00:54:18,410 --> 00:54:15,900
uh you do have to get down to the

1108
00:54:20,930 --> 00:54:18,420
getting down right you've got to work

1109
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:20,940
um yeah how do you how do you do it do

1110
00:54:25,970 --> 00:54:23,760
you plan for eight hours or do you do

1111
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:25,980
you do a burst for an hour and you

1112
00:54:29,930 --> 00:54:27,900
manage to crank out 10 pages in an hour

1113
00:54:32,030 --> 00:54:29,940
and you take the rest of the day off how

1114
00:54:36,049 --> 00:54:32,040
does this work

1115
00:54:38,569 --> 00:54:36,059
um no I I know no writer that could

1116
00:54:40,910 --> 00:54:38,579
produce 10 quality pages that they're

1117
00:54:43,849 --> 00:54:40,920
going to stick with in an hour I wasn't

1118
00:54:45,890 --> 00:54:43,859
friends with but I had a a cordial

1119
00:54:48,650 --> 00:54:45,900
friendly relationship for some years

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00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:48,660
with Norman mailer who even was kind

1121
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:51,780
enough to read the first few chapters of

1122
00:54:55,490 --> 00:54:53,280
the first book that I read and give me

1123
00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:55,500
feedback on them and Norman told me a

1124
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,700
number of things that I never forgot

1125
00:55:01,970 --> 00:54:59,040
about writing by the way he did he wrote

1126
00:55:04,190 --> 00:55:01,980
every single word of every book that he

1127
00:55:05,870 --> 00:55:04,200
wrote even including those monsters that

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00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:05,880
would kill a large animal if they fell

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00:55:10,430 --> 00:55:08,640
off the table right by hand right but

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00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:10,440
after his first book naked in the dead

1131
00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:12,960
he had enough income to have a secretary

1132
00:55:16,609 --> 00:55:15,180
to transcribe what he wrote in the

1133
00:55:17,329 --> 00:55:16,619
morning so he could go back to it in the

1134
00:55:18,650 --> 00:55:17,339
afternoon

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00:55:19,609 --> 00:55:18,660
Etc

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00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:19,619
um

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00:55:24,670 --> 00:55:21,660
he

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00:55:27,470 --> 00:55:24,680
what I do is part of my drive mechanism

1139
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:27,480
is the same thing that propelled me

1140
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,240
through finishing reports and papers in

1141
00:55:34,670 --> 00:55:32,880
high school sheer Terror of not getting

1142
00:55:37,549 --> 00:55:34,680
it in on time because I'd always wait

1143
00:55:40,730 --> 00:55:37,559
till pretty much the last minute I am a

1144
00:55:42,829 --> 00:55:40,740
cheerful Insomniac and in this period of

1145
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,839
my life where I don't work a day job I

1146
00:55:47,329 --> 00:55:44,880
can easily stay up till three in the

1147
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:47,339
morning typing away and that's often the

1148
00:55:51,470 --> 00:55:48,960
time that I think

1149
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:51,480
look at this I'm a genius I can't

1150
00:55:55,250 --> 00:55:52,920
believe what I'm getting out here this

1151
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:55,260
is amazing and then you read it again in

1152
00:55:59,329 --> 00:55:57,240
the late morning and you think oh my

1153
00:56:01,370 --> 00:55:59,339
gosh the worst thing I ever did yes was

1154
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:01,380
I on drugs and I know I wasn't was I

1155
00:56:06,770 --> 00:56:04,640
drinking no I know I wasn't I was just

1156
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:06,780
deluding myself

1157
00:56:12,049 --> 00:56:09,000
um and then you go back into it part of

1158
00:56:14,930 --> 00:56:12,059
the craft for me is to keep going back

1159
00:56:20,329 --> 00:56:14,940
into what you've done and refine it and

1160
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:20,339
polish it and find a way to have it lean

1161
00:56:25,490 --> 00:56:23,040
as it can be an editor I once had said

1162
00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:25,500
when you write a manuscript you can drop

1163
00:56:31,370 --> 00:56:28,680
90 of the word that that you put in it

1164
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,380
was a revelation but look at anything

1165
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,119
that you write sometimes and see how

1166
00:56:37,970 --> 00:56:36,000
many Superfluous that's there are Norman

1167
00:56:39,890 --> 00:56:37,980
told me once that

1168
00:56:42,049 --> 00:56:39,900
you know that that feeling of you've got

1169
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,059
a paragraph and you've got the ultimate

1170
00:56:46,250 --> 00:56:44,400
closing sentence you are going to knock

1171
00:56:48,289 --> 00:56:46,260
people out of the socks by the end of

1172
00:56:49,609 --> 00:56:48,299
this paragraph and it's all about gee

1173
00:56:50,930 --> 00:56:49,619
what can I do to build up to that

1174
00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:50,940
amazing sentence that I've already got

1175
00:56:55,549 --> 00:56:53,640
he said junk it always put your best

1176
00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:55,559
stuff first he said start with that

1177
00:56:59,630 --> 00:56:58,260
sentence and then challenge yourself to

1178
00:57:02,630 --> 00:56:59,640
do better by the end of the paragraph

1179
00:57:04,609 --> 00:57:02,640
once again wow it completely blew my

1180
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:04,619
mind right but these are the things that

1181
00:57:11,089 --> 00:57:07,920
add up I've never taken a writing class

1182
00:57:14,569 --> 00:57:11,099
but for me I take writing classes every

1183
00:57:16,849 --> 00:57:14,579
day because as much as a movie Maniac as

1184
00:57:19,849 --> 00:57:16,859
I am going back to Childhood I I could

1185
00:57:21,410 --> 00:57:19,859
have easily gone into the film world in

1186
00:57:24,349 --> 00:57:21,420
production

1187
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,359
um in acting in certainly as a film

1188
00:57:30,530 --> 00:57:27,359
historian which is you know an avocation

1189
00:57:32,210 --> 00:57:30,540
of mine and this coming Monday my guest

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00:57:34,250 --> 00:57:32,220
is going to be a wonderful writer

1191
00:57:37,250 --> 00:57:34,260
director producer named Christopher

1192
00:57:40,250 --> 00:57:37,260
Munch who most recently has a film out

1193
00:57:42,650 --> 00:57:40,260
that you can see on Amazon called the

1194
00:57:48,170 --> 00:57:42,660
11th green about Eisenhower and the

1195
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:48,180
aliens very low key quite brilliant but

1196
00:57:58,670 --> 00:57:52,640
I keep inspiring Myself by reading a lot

1197
00:58:01,970 --> 00:57:58,680
and I feel obligated it's I don't love

1198
00:58:04,430 --> 00:58:01,980
well I fell into ufology by total

1199
00:58:08,650 --> 00:58:04,440
Obsession when my sister Helen shared

1200
00:58:13,010 --> 00:58:08,660
with me well before Bud Hopkins wrote

1201
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:13,020
missing time in published in 81 memories

1202
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:15,960
of an abduction experience I've heard

1203
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:18,720
hundreds like them now even to the the

1204
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:21,599
words that you know come into your head

1205
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:25,200
from the other intelligences and I was

1206
00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:27,119
obsessed I didn't go into it because I

1207
00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:28,920
was intrigued or intellectually curious

1208
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:31,140
I just needed to know what the hell had

1209
00:58:34,609 --> 00:58:32,640
happened to my sister and what the hell

1210
00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:34,619
these things were about

1211
00:58:40,849 --> 00:58:36,900
and

1212
00:58:43,130 --> 00:58:40,859
certain point I realized I'm involved in

1213
00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:43,140
a field that's important even though

1214
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:46,140
it's considered Fringe and ridiculed my

1215
00:58:50,210 --> 00:58:48,000
contributions might be valuable and I

1216
00:58:52,670 --> 00:58:50,220
should stick with it and you know you

1217
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,680
keep doing it and you don't die and at a

1218
00:58:57,530 --> 00:58:54,480
certain point people say oh you're

1219
00:58:59,450 --> 00:58:57,540
somebody in this well how nice for you

1220
00:59:02,990 --> 00:58:59,460
um not realizing that you know you're

1221
00:59:06,109 --> 00:59:03,000
working hard all the time my point is I

1222
00:59:08,569 --> 00:59:06,119
read UFO books of course and I have so

1223
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,579
many great colleagues who are coming out

1224
00:59:12,349 --> 00:59:10,799
with new ones all the time and I try to

1225
00:59:15,530 --> 00:59:12,359
keep up with all of them as much as

1226
00:59:17,569 --> 00:59:15,540
possible but I read a lot of fiction now

1227
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:17,579
something I felt very guilty about for

1228
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:20,160
decades uh you know 80s I went through

1229
00:59:23,390 --> 00:59:22,079
every Espionage fiction book ever

1230
00:59:26,089 --> 00:59:23,400
written

1231
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,099
um in the English language and one of my

1232
00:59:31,490 --> 00:59:28,559
greatest paranormal Thrills was in the

1233
00:59:33,410 --> 00:59:31,500
summer of 97 when left at Eastgate was

1234
00:59:36,410 --> 00:59:33,420
charting top 10 across the United

1235
00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:36,420
Kingdom and the book was about number

1236
00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:37,260
six

1237
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,020
John le Carrey's newest novel that

1238
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:42,240
summer the Taylor of Panama was at

1239
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:45,839
number eight for me that's about the

1240
00:59:50,030 --> 00:59:48,000
wildest paranormal literary experience

1241
00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:50,040
I've had in my life well you know I went

1242
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:51,720
through I went through a lot of guilt oh

1243
00:59:55,190 --> 00:59:53,280
we got to take a break right here Peter

1244
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:55,200
but I went through a lot of guilt I

1245
01:00:02,569 --> 00:59:59,040
wouldn't even admit it no Clive Cussler

1246
01:00:04,990 --> 01:00:02,579
uh man I'm telling you great Storyteller

1247
01:00:08,990 --> 01:00:05,000
great great story I I

1248
01:00:10,490 --> 01:00:09,000
obsessed with the Titanic oh man you

1249
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:10,500
know what and that's not even his good

1250
01:00:19,490 --> 01:00:16,079
stuff right Sahara oh but um but I I

1251
01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:19,500
obsessed over Clive Cussler I did and I

1252
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:22,260
it was like this guilty pleasure

1253
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:26,880
um I read Danielle Steel I did and I'm I

1254
01:00:34,190 --> 01:00:30,480
I I I've just revealed way too much but

1255
01:00:36,410 --> 01:00:34,200
I'll be going now yes but

1256
01:00:38,930 --> 01:00:36,420
um I'm uh I'm a non-fiction reader

1257
01:00:41,569 --> 01:00:38,940
that's where you know I love uh great

1258
01:00:44,089 --> 01:00:41,579
documentaries and yeah you know and

1259
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:44,099
that's where my heart lies but once in a

1260
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:46,559
while man you gotta Break Free what's in

1261
01:00:51,530 --> 01:00:49,440
Danielle Steel okay let's take our break

1262
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:51,540
right here our guest tonight the one and

1263
01:00:55,789 --> 01:00:53,040
only Peter Robbins we got a lot to cover

1264
01:00:57,230 --> 01:00:55,799
we're gonna try to get it all in and I'm

1265
01:00:59,569 --> 01:00:57,240
challenged

1266
01:01:01,849 --> 01:00:59,579
we had a great show last night we got to

1267
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:01,859
top it tonight I'm bringing out my a

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01:01:05,450 --> 01:01:03,599
game with Peter Robbins this is Fade to

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01:01:07,130 --> 01:01:05,460
Black I'm Yours Timmy church we'll be

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01:01:10,490 --> 01:01:07,140
right back after this short break on the

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01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:10,500
game changer Network and kgra the planet

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01:01:23,890 --> 01:01:23,170
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01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:23,900
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just going to our membership section at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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hello this is Serena Wright Taylor from

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conscious life Expo and you're listening

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to fade to black with Jimmy Church who

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holds the lucky pony record for the best

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astrological chart since 1963. true

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story

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this is Micah Hanks of the gralian

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report and you're listening to Jimmy

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Church on Fade to Black across the globe

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on the game changer radio network and

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the one and only kgra radio the planet

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[Music]

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foreign

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Welcome Back Fade to Black I am your

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host Jimmy church tonight Peter Robbins

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is here

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now all of Peter's links are over at

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chimichurchradio.com you can click of

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course his show meanwhile here on Earth

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airs Monday nights right before Fade to

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Black great show and uh and you can

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follow his social media links uh we've

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got it up on social media now Peter I

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was just thinking uh during the break

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Dirk Pitt

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right Clive Cussler his his hero Dirk

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Pitt and so it's like page one I got the

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new book and and it always reads

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something like this Dirk Pitt is in a

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surfing competition in in Florida he's

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winning it's his final run he's on a big

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wave the crowd is cheering he's on you

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know from the beach and he's and he's

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surfing in and then in the background

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the space shuttle Atlantis is coming in

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and it's off course and it crash lands

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in the water he breaks off the surf uh

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paddles up on a surfboard kicks in the

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windows pulls the pilot out helicopter

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lands he saves the Pilot's life he goes

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on jumps on the helicopter and they take

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him to the Pentagon and he's got to go

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into a secret room and two hours later

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he's on his way to Greece because there

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is uh it's like it it it's the first

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page right and I'm like this is the best

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stuff ever I've even flipped to page two

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I love that stuff man I love that stuff

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and I can't imagine what's going through

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Clive's mind because he it's just got to

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be the funnest stuff ever where am I

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going to take this

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I you know that that is something that I

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admire an Envy to a degree because I've

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never written fiction right

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um I just try to find reality that again

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sounds like fiction to a lot of people

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for me the closest thing like that to

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kind of a Jones of going through book

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after book was uh Robert Ludlum for a

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period of time and this is you know

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probably two decades or a decade and a

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half at least before the born uh movie

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started to come out and I thought they

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were all great films I meant Matt Damon

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for me is one of our finest and most

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versatile actors and you know talk about

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non-stop wonderfully choreographed

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action uh right to have it come alive in

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your head with words is something sadly

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that for a lot of people they're not

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interested in you know we live in a much

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more short attention span world show me

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pictures let things explode

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I'm old enough to remember the very end

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of the golden age of radio that I used

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to listen to with my Russian immigrant

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Nana and her uh Kitchen in Queens as

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she'd be making everything from scratch

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and shows that ultimately were kid shows

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on TV When I Was Young Gun Smoke

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um uh The Lone Ranger

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detective shows cop shows

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theater of the mind and

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a good film you know films again I I

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couldn't live without them but reading

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and

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relishing enjoying

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and just getting such a kick out of

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creating those pictures for yourself

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rather than having them trotted out in

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front of you on a screen is a whole

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01:10:08,810 --> 01:10:05,219
other experience did you

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01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:08,820
um ever uh get into

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uh like the party line on wor in in New

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York you know the late night talk radio

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01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:17,940
stuff did you listen to that

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I did sometimes but um by the time I was

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in high school I was just not listening

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to radio for me it was more like in

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adolescence and early teenage years

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Murray the K and

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um

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all of the great first wave of amazing

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pop music and Motown and you know

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01:10:51,950 --> 01:10:49,440
doo-wop and uh Soul music that informed

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01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:51,960
so much of my life since but often at

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the beginning the thrill of listening to

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it in the earpiece with your transistor

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radio while you're reading a comic with

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your flashlight

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and thinking that your parents aren't

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aware that you're not sleeping I I

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thought I was the the only it's kind of

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the only one nation you know Trifecta

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right

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that did that you know what I used to do

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I had a a little black and white TV and

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I tied a string

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onto the plug and I ran the string

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behind my desk and around to and I could

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pull it and pull the plug out from the

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wall this is before remote controls and

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01:11:37,729 --> 01:11:35,880
and so I would hear my dad get up I

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01:11:39,470 --> 01:11:37,739
could hear him get up from the other

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side of the wall and I pulled the plug

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and he would come in and look and the

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TV's off and I'm in bed and I you know

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what you invented the remote control

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right right and I I'd like to think that

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01:11:55,550 --> 01:11:52,020
he didn't know that he probably did but

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uh yeah we we all did that didn't we

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01:12:00,770 --> 01:11:59,280
um now you're sitting in front of a lot

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of books you're sitting in your library

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01:12:06,590 --> 01:12:03,080
and and it is impressive

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the uh rant that I did at the beginning

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of the show today uh just for memory I

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just popped out like 20 of what I think

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01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:17,340
are essential reads in in ufology

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01:12:22,010 --> 01:12:19,679
and I know that you have done the same

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01:12:23,149 --> 01:12:22,020
thing and so when somebody asks you and

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01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:23,159
I know you get this question all the

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01:12:27,229 --> 01:12:24,719
time you know what's the book where

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01:12:28,970 --> 01:12:27,239
should I start I don't you know what's

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01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:28,980
what's you know and they look to you for

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01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:31,440
the right answer so the first book that

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01:12:35,930 --> 01:12:34,320
comes to mind for essential reading uh

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01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:35,940
what is it

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01:12:42,410 --> 01:12:39,600
uh if they're serious I'll often think

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01:12:45,050 --> 01:12:42,420
um chronologically start with Donald

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01:12:48,189 --> 01:12:45,060
Kehoe yeah a highly decorated Marine

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01:12:51,130 --> 01:12:48,199
World War II fighter pilot the first

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01:12:53,090 --> 01:12:51,140
best-selling UFO related author

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01:12:55,070 --> 01:12:53,100
scientifically based military

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01:12:56,450 --> 01:12:55,080
perspective

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01:12:59,390 --> 01:12:56,460
um

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01:13:02,630 --> 01:12:59,400
are real

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01:13:05,870 --> 01:13:02,640
yeah Flying Saucer conspiracy right

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01:13:08,990 --> 01:13:05,880
um he turned out one book after another

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01:13:11,689 --> 01:13:09,000
and became a very iconic in part because

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01:13:15,169 --> 01:13:11,699
of his entry into late night radio

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01:13:17,689 --> 01:13:15,179
through Long John Neville and one or two

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01:13:20,510 --> 01:13:17,699
other major broadcasters who made him

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01:13:23,930 --> 01:13:20,520
something of a household name Mars K

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01:13:25,790 --> 01:13:23,940
Jessop is another one who for me his

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01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:25,800
books are still very readable from the

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01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:28,320
50s they're well researched they're

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01:13:34,010 --> 01:13:31,679
compelling and they drive you on if I

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01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:34,020
had to give a quick compendium of

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01:13:39,370 --> 01:13:38,159
authors to if you really want to get the

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01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:39,380
dope on

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01:13:45,169 --> 01:13:42,960
quality writing and good research that

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01:13:48,350 --> 01:13:45,179
stood the test of time

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01:13:51,490 --> 01:13:48,360
um I would go Timothy Good's Above Top

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01:13:55,070 --> 01:13:51,500
Secret or Beyond top secret but Hopkins

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01:13:56,570 --> 01:13:55,080
Intruders and missing time uh David

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01:13:59,209 --> 01:13:56,580
Jacobs

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01:14:01,010 --> 01:13:59,219
um almost any of David's books although

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01:14:03,470 --> 01:14:01,020
many people have problems with him

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01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,480
because they feel he was pushing an

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01:14:08,450 --> 01:14:05,280
agenda when these are simply the results

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01:14:10,970 --> 01:14:08,460
that he got John Mack's book abduction

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01:14:13,130 --> 01:14:10,980
that I had the honor of proofreading uh

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01:14:15,709 --> 01:14:13,140
Whitley strieber's communion which I had

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01:14:16,490 --> 01:14:15,719
the honor of proofreading as well

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01:14:19,070 --> 01:14:16,500
um

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01:14:21,410 --> 01:14:19,080
there are so many independent small

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01:14:24,530 --> 01:14:21,420
writers as well it's not small writers

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01:14:28,090 --> 01:14:24,540
but small books that kind of go by the

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01:14:30,830 --> 01:14:28,100
wayside uh that shouldn't at this point

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01:14:33,229 --> 01:14:30,840
you know we joke about it but Richard

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01:14:36,290 --> 01:14:33,239
Dolan has made so many contributions to

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01:14:38,750 --> 01:14:36,300
the work and he's a sharp prolific

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01:14:41,630 --> 01:14:38,760
really high quality writer and

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01:14:43,729 --> 01:14:41,640
researcher his first two volumes of UFOs

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01:14:45,370 --> 01:14:43,739
in the National Security State third

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01:14:48,649 --> 01:14:45,380
coming at us at some point in the future

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01:14:50,209 --> 01:14:48,659
are essential for any good UFO related

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01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:50,219
Library

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01:14:57,050 --> 01:14:53,040
um I would say

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01:14:59,090 --> 01:14:57,060
gosh I I'm almost hard-pressed to you

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01:15:02,149 --> 01:14:59,100
know not push friends on us but at the

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01:15:05,630 --> 01:15:02,159
same time uh Firestorm by Anne ruffle

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01:15:07,370 --> 01:15:05,640
the definitive biography of Dr James

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01:15:09,890 --> 01:15:07,380
McDonald

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01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:09,900
um one of the greatest scientists to

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01:15:16,189 --> 01:15:14,520
ever take the UFO cause and try to break

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01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:16,199
through to the establishment and to the

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01:15:19,490 --> 01:15:17,040
government

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01:15:21,229 --> 01:15:19,500
he was a casualty it wasn't like he was

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01:15:23,330 --> 01:15:21,239
murdered per se but he might as well

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01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:23,340
have been he took his own life because

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01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:25,920
of tremendous depression in part because

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01:15:30,290 --> 01:15:27,679
of

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01:15:33,169 --> 01:15:30,300
vicious vicious debunkers like Philip

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01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:33,179
class who just wouldn't leave well

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01:15:36,050 --> 01:15:34,800
enough alone

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01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:36,060
um

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01:15:42,410 --> 01:15:40,320
I think the works of Jacques valet are

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01:15:44,830 --> 01:15:42,420
very important especially if you're like

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01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:44,840
me and when you first got into the work

1584
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,520
it's it's machines from other planets

1585
01:15:51,770 --> 01:15:49,679
from other places what else could it be

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01:15:54,110 --> 01:15:51,780
well there's a lot of things that it

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01:15:56,930 --> 01:15:54,120
could be and valet will open your mind

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01:15:59,570 --> 01:15:56,940
on them the almost any book by the late

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01:16:00,669 --> 01:15:59,580
great Stanton T Friedman is worth

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01:16:03,530 --> 01:16:00,679
reading

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01:16:05,810 --> 01:16:03,540
he was in a Class by Himself nuclear

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01:16:07,550 --> 01:16:05,820
physicist probably spoke at more places

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01:16:09,890 --> 01:16:07,560
for more organizations and more

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01:16:12,530 --> 01:16:09,900
universities and colleges than all the

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01:16:14,510 --> 01:16:12,540
rest of us put together the books that

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01:16:16,430 --> 01:16:14,520
he's produced with my friend and

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01:16:19,610 --> 01:16:16,440
colleague Kathleen Martin are worthy of

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01:16:21,530 --> 01:16:19,620
respect as well the book on the

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01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:21,540
abduction files that Kathleen has

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01:16:27,410 --> 01:16:24,960
written with Denise Stoner is very

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01:16:29,689 --> 01:16:27,420
important too the abduction phenomena is

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01:16:33,470 --> 01:16:29,699
Central to me and what I keep coming

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01:16:37,550 --> 01:16:33,480
back to in the work I think it is

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01:16:40,130 --> 01:16:37,560
a huge key to what at least that group

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01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:40,140
of other intelligences are all about

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01:16:44,930 --> 01:16:42,480
their motivations and their goals and

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01:16:47,390 --> 01:16:44,940
again for me personally that's how I got

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01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:47,400
into the work and having worked for

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01:16:52,430 --> 01:16:50,159
years is Bud Hopkins assistant having

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01:16:55,490 --> 01:16:52,440
the privilege of being kind of the fly

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01:16:57,290 --> 01:16:55,500
on the wall for several hundred cases

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01:17:00,530 --> 01:16:57,300
some of them fairly briefly examined

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01:17:03,050 --> 01:17:00,540
other ones for years including dear Deb

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01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:03,060
white Jordan story which ultimately

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01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:05,280
became Intruders the mini-series and

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01:17:10,729 --> 01:17:07,679
before that the book and now Deb has her

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01:17:13,310 --> 01:17:10,739
own wonderful book out with August Night

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01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:13,320
press if you are culture vulture like me

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01:17:19,689 --> 01:17:16,320
and you love films Robbie Graham Silver

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01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:19,699
Screen saucers is the definitive book

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01:17:26,689 --> 01:17:24,000
not just about UFOs and other

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01:17:30,530 --> 01:17:26,699
intelligences in American well in film

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01:17:33,770 --> 01:17:30,540
but written by a guy who is also a very

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01:17:35,689 --> 01:17:33,780
fine ufologist Robbie is British and he

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01:17:38,090 --> 01:17:35,699
knows both sides of the game and brings

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01:17:41,450 --> 01:17:38,100
them together in this remarkable volume

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I mean I could literally spend the rest

1628
01:17:44,990 --> 01:17:42,960
of the show just turning around every

1629
01:17:48,530 --> 01:17:45,000
once in a while and giving a brief

1630
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:48,540
synopsis of of so many books

1631
01:17:53,570 --> 01:17:51,120
um I think if you're serious about it

1632
01:17:55,430 --> 01:17:53,580
it's a very analog thing to do in this

1633
01:17:57,530 --> 01:17:55,440
digital world and it could apply to

1634
01:17:59,149 --> 01:17:57,540
whatever it is that's a central passion

1635
01:18:01,250 --> 01:17:59,159
subject in your life

1636
01:18:04,970 --> 01:18:01,260
build a library

1637
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:04,980
take pride in building a library about

1638
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:07,440
around a subject that you love I have

1639
01:18:12,050 --> 01:18:09,120
other libraries in other parts of the

1640
01:18:14,270 --> 01:18:12,060
house one of them looks like its 20th

1641
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:14,280
century uh literature first editions

1642
01:18:19,070 --> 01:18:16,560
some of them are but more of them are

1643
01:18:21,649 --> 01:18:19,080
second third seventh and 17th editions

1644
01:18:24,410 --> 01:18:21,659
of books that have been written in this

1645
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,420
century and the last well again 20th

1646
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:26,400
century primarily but now we've gotten

1647
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:29,280
the 21st century it took me a few years

1648
01:18:35,450 --> 01:18:31,440
to realize and I had to laugh when I did

1649
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:35,460
that being a film lover 95 of those

1650
01:18:38,209 --> 01:18:37,199
books are all books that were made into

1651
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:38,219
films

1652
01:18:44,030 --> 01:18:42,239
and as is often the case the book is

1653
01:18:45,950 --> 01:18:44,040
better than the film even if the film is

1654
01:18:49,250 --> 01:18:45,960
great every once in a while they're

1655
01:18:52,130 --> 01:18:49,260
fairly equal other times occasionally a

1656
01:18:54,830 --> 01:18:52,140
film will surpass a book but usually go

1657
01:18:58,669 --> 01:18:54,840
to the source perfect example there was

1658
01:19:03,110 --> 01:18:58,679
a film four or five years ago starring

1659
01:19:05,810 --> 01:19:03,120
um uh the British actor Clive

1660
01:19:08,209 --> 01:19:05,820
I'll think of his last name it's um a

1661
01:19:13,310 --> 01:19:08,219
very wonderful dystopian fantasy about

1662
01:19:15,890 --> 01:19:13,320
what if in by the year 2020

1663
01:19:17,630 --> 01:19:15,900
all men have gone sterile and the

1664
01:19:20,270 --> 01:19:17,640
populations of the world are dying off

1665
01:19:21,890 --> 01:19:20,280
written by a woman named PD James who I

1666
01:19:26,090 --> 01:19:21,900
knew first as a Great British detective

1667
01:19:28,970 --> 01:19:26,100
writer and um Clive Owen there you go

1668
01:19:31,430 --> 01:19:28,980
Clive Owen I remember enjoying the film

1669
01:19:34,010 --> 01:19:31,440
saw the book last year at a book sale

1670
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:34,020
bought it not only couldn't put it down

1671
01:19:37,550 --> 01:19:36,239
it was one of those books where as you

1672
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:37,560
get to the last quarter you find

1673
01:19:41,390 --> 01:19:39,120
yourself slowing down because you don't

1674
01:19:43,729 --> 01:19:41,400
want it to end right Not only was the

1675
01:19:45,890 --> 01:19:43,739
storytelling brilliant but every

1676
01:19:48,649 --> 01:19:45,900
sentence every paragraph was so

1677
01:19:51,709 --> 01:19:48,659
beautifully constructed the the images

1678
01:19:55,850 --> 01:19:51,719
and again I'm not your normal American

1679
01:19:58,370 --> 01:19:55,860
well in many respects but in terms of

1680
01:20:01,130 --> 01:19:58,380
um I visited the United Kingdom 20 or 25

1681
01:20:03,050 --> 01:20:01,140
times in my life and so I have a sense

1682
01:20:05,570 --> 01:20:03,060
of you know the English Countryside and

1683
01:20:07,010 --> 01:20:05,580
certain aspects of it I think anybody

1684
01:20:10,010 --> 01:20:07,020
who's never been to England would enjoy

1685
01:20:13,550 --> 01:20:10,020
it as much once again going back to just

1686
01:20:14,689 --> 01:20:13,560
the joy of of reading good well-written

1687
01:20:17,950 --> 01:20:14,699
books

1688
01:20:22,010 --> 01:20:20,390
let me throw a couple of titles out

1689
01:20:25,129 --> 01:20:22,020
there that for me interrupt the journey

1690
01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:25,139
John yeah I was going right there the

1691
01:20:30,410 --> 01:20:27,000
interrupted Journey

1692
01:20:31,729 --> 01:20:30,420
um and what had happened to me uh I've

1693
01:20:33,350 --> 01:20:31,739
told the story too many times so I'm

1694
01:20:36,530 --> 01:20:33,360
going to give you the 10 second version

1695
01:20:39,169 --> 01:20:36,540
I rent a house in Pasadena California

1696
01:20:41,689 --> 01:20:39,179
it's a five bedroom house my first night

1697
01:20:43,729 --> 01:20:41,699
in the house the house is empty there's

1698
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:43,739
no I'm sleeping on the floor with a

1699
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:47,280
blanket I've got no radio got no TV I've

1700
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:49,679
got a little lamp that is sitting on the

1701
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:51,360
floor and I'm walking through the house

1702
01:20:54,649 --> 01:20:53,040
the house is empty it's clean it's all

1703
01:20:57,169 --> 01:20:54,659
painted white and there's nothing in it

1704
01:20:58,370 --> 01:20:57,179
but I opened up this Closet in one of

1705
01:21:00,890 --> 01:20:58,380
the bedrooms

1706
01:21:03,649 --> 01:21:00,900
for some reason and I see a couple of

1707
01:21:05,390 --> 01:21:03,659
books on this in the back there's

1708
01:21:07,490 --> 01:21:05,400
nothing in the house

1709
01:21:09,169 --> 01:21:07,500
but these two books

1710
01:21:12,169 --> 01:21:09,179
and I'm like what so I pull them down

1711
01:21:15,850 --> 01:21:12,179
it's friggin the interrupted journey and

1712
01:21:27,229 --> 01:21:20,390
right right what are the odds of that

1713
01:21:30,890 --> 01:21:27,239
so and and go I go back and I uh oh okay

1714
01:21:32,510 --> 01:21:30,900
so my mistake was I read the Andreessen

1715
01:21:35,770 --> 01:21:32,520
Affair first

1716
01:21:40,729 --> 01:21:35,780
okay and that book is so well written

1717
01:21:44,270 --> 01:21:40,739
and it is a series of transcriptions of

1718
01:21:46,850 --> 01:21:44,280
the of the regression right yes and it

1719
01:21:50,750 --> 01:21:46,860
is in such vivid detail it's like The

1720
01:21:54,110 --> 01:21:50,760
Wizard of Oz kind of you know world and

1721
01:21:57,770 --> 01:21:54,120
uh and I've I got really freaked out but

1722
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:57,780
the thing was it was it it was one of

1723
01:22:03,290 --> 01:22:00,719
those books in in ufology that is a must

1724
01:22:06,410 --> 01:22:03,300
read and it was on this shelf it was

1725
01:22:09,290 --> 01:22:06,420
like meant for me and then I I I wrapped

1726
01:22:12,410 --> 01:22:09,300
that up in like a day and then I read

1727
01:22:14,270 --> 01:22:12,420
the interrupted Journey again one of the

1728
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:14,280
and and one of the reasons why I think

1729
01:22:19,850 --> 01:22:17,280
these two books are so great is they are

1730
01:22:22,250 --> 01:22:19,860
a moment in time because they were

1731
01:22:26,570 --> 01:22:22,260
written as these things were going down

1732
01:22:29,810 --> 01:22:26,580
yeah yeah that's absolutely uh true

1733
01:22:36,410 --> 01:22:33,770
Fuller for starters he was not just

1734
01:22:40,010 --> 01:22:36,420
well he wasn't a UFO writer he was a

1735
01:22:42,370 --> 01:22:40,020
credentialed journalist and he learned

1736
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:42,380
about the Betty and Barney Hill case

1737
01:22:50,270 --> 01:22:46,320
approached them and wrote their story in

1738
01:22:52,189 --> 01:22:50,280
a way that a journalist would write it

1739
01:22:55,010 --> 01:22:52,199
well backed up with all the factual

1740
01:22:57,649 --> 01:22:55,020
material at the time but again a

1741
01:23:00,649 --> 01:22:57,659
brilliant Storyteller Raymond Fowler is

1742
01:23:02,930 --> 01:23:00,659
kind of a legend in the work he's now

1743
01:23:06,169 --> 01:23:02,940
well in his 80s probably closing on 90

1744
01:23:09,410 --> 01:23:06,179
working on a book right now and

1745
01:23:11,689 --> 01:23:09,420
um a an extremely ethical man a

1746
01:23:13,850 --> 01:23:11,699
religious man who

1747
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:13,860
approached the subject straightforward

1748
01:23:17,209 --> 01:23:15,360
you know these are my beliefs I'm going

1749
01:23:18,830 --> 01:23:17,219
to put them down over here

1750
01:23:22,189 --> 01:23:18,840
I'm going to approach this and the

1751
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:22,199
andreasen case is so complex and was so

1752
01:23:28,450 --> 01:23:25,440
ongoing and so detailed and so well

1753
01:23:32,169 --> 01:23:28,460
documented for so long he wrote A series

1754
01:23:34,669 --> 01:23:32,179
his book on the Allagash Affair

1755
01:23:38,570 --> 01:23:34,679
one of the most extraordinary abduction

1756
01:23:41,090 --> 01:23:38,580
cases ever of four young men friends all

1757
01:23:43,970 --> 01:23:41,100
of them artists going on a camping trip

1758
01:23:47,330 --> 01:23:43,980
in Maine and literally taken from their

1759
01:23:49,550 --> 01:23:47,340
two canoes at night in fact Charlie

1760
01:23:52,430 --> 01:23:49,560
fultz and Jim weiner both dear friends

1761
01:23:54,290 --> 01:23:52,440
will be my guests on meanwhile here on

1762
01:23:57,229 --> 01:23:54,300
Earth I think in early October late

1763
01:24:00,050 --> 01:23:57,239
September I think it's October but

1764
01:24:02,330 --> 01:24:00,060
there's a story that also deserves

1765
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:02,340
tremendous attention and respect and

1766
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:06,000
once again extremely well documented and

1767
01:24:10,910 --> 01:24:08,880
uh one of uh one of my favorite books

1768
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:10,920
that I've always gone back to

1769
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:13,199
the report on unidentified flying

1770
01:24:19,310 --> 01:24:17,040
objects by uh RuPaul Edward J rupelten

1771
01:24:21,890 --> 01:24:19,320
strong there's a classic yeah and it's

1772
01:24:23,629 --> 01:24:21,900
written in it's it's a it's a moment in

1773
01:24:26,930 --> 01:24:23,639
time you know it's more like a

1774
01:24:28,729 --> 01:24:26,940
historical document and again just well

1775
01:24:31,129 --> 01:24:28,739
written too as well from somebody that

1776
01:24:33,290 --> 01:24:31,139
is is so well respected

1777
01:24:36,169 --> 01:24:33,300
also you know you can almost try to get

1778
01:24:38,930 --> 01:24:36,179
behind his eyes he wasn't a writer he

1779
01:24:42,169 --> 01:24:38,940
was an Air Force officer and he was

1780
01:24:45,290 --> 01:24:42,179
writing about the investigation then

1781
01:24:47,810 --> 01:24:45,300
going on he had to walk I'm sure a very

1782
01:24:50,330 --> 01:24:47,820
fine line it's to the Air Force's credit

1783
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:50,340
that they didn't redact it more whatever

1784
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:52,560
they you know took out

1785
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:54,480
um and to his credit that he had the

1786
01:24:59,629 --> 01:24:57,600
guts to do it but there is a very

1787
01:25:02,090 --> 01:24:59,639
important singular piece of UFO

1788
01:25:04,790 --> 01:25:02,100
literature for sure yeah yeah no doubt

1789
01:25:08,750 --> 01:25:04,800
about it now you brought up uh Long John

1790
01:25:11,090 --> 01:25:08,760
Neville and it's really funny uh Frank

1791
01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:11,100
Edwards also in the same breath he was

1792
01:25:18,169 --> 01:25:14,820
as popular a night television guy and

1793
01:25:19,790 --> 01:25:18,179
also uh brought on um Kehoe a number of

1794
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:19,800
times and became very involved in

1795
01:25:23,629 --> 01:25:21,600
paranormal studies himself to cut you

1796
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:23,639
off sorry well that's no you can step on

1797
01:25:30,110 --> 01:25:27,120
me anytime the uh but I bring him up

1798
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:30,120
because of Kehoe now

1799
01:25:36,169 --> 01:25:32,880
um when people ask me why I got into

1800
01:25:38,570 --> 01:25:36,179
radio they you know when I bring up Long

1801
01:25:40,669 --> 01:25:38,580
John Neville unless you were a child of

1802
01:25:45,410 --> 01:25:40,679
the 50s and 60s you probably never heard

1803
01:25:47,629 --> 01:25:45,420
of them I studied this man and he he

1804
01:25:51,229 --> 01:25:47,639
talked about theater of the mind right

1805
01:25:54,410 --> 01:25:51,239
he was the best at it and in my opinion

1806
01:25:56,270 --> 01:25:54,420
created uh late night talk radio I think

1807
01:25:57,649 --> 01:25:56,280
it was all on Long John Neville's

1808
01:26:01,129 --> 01:25:57,659
shoulders but

1809
01:26:04,669 --> 01:26:01,139
it was his shows if you go back and

1810
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:04,679
listen to his shows with Kehoe at at the

1811
01:26:09,470 --> 01:26:06,960
moment when all of this stuff was going

1812
01:26:11,390 --> 01:26:09,480
on like when Kehoe got cut off by CBS

1813
01:26:12,770 --> 01:26:11,400
Television you know that was a that was

1814
01:26:15,530 --> 01:26:12,780
a really big deal and they rolled the

1815
01:26:20,270 --> 01:26:15,540
credits and he went off script he brings

1816
01:26:21,890 --> 01:26:20,280
Kehoe on the next day to to anyway the

1817
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:21,900
point is

1818
01:26:28,370 --> 01:26:25,920
um uh Kehoe Not only was he a member of

1819
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:28,380
the military but he was absolutely

1820
01:26:34,729 --> 01:26:31,440
steadfast trying to get answers out of

1821
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:34,739
the government and would not stop and to

1822
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:37,440
hear him speak in his own breath on Long

1823
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:39,840
John Neville's show it's just historical

1824
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:42,719
historical he gave him a national voice

1825
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:45,360
yes and that was the thing that mattered

1826
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:48,960
uh I remember fairly recently as I do

1827
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:52,080
sometimes just going back you know the

1828
01:26:57,890 --> 01:26:55,679
amazing gift that YouTube is in terms of

1829
01:27:00,590 --> 01:26:57,900
there's a zillion tons of crap on there

1830
01:27:03,410 --> 01:27:00,600
but there's so much history and so much

1831
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:03,420
wonderful obscura

1832
01:27:09,770 --> 01:27:06,960
that's on there it was the um young Mike

1833
01:27:11,810 --> 01:27:09,780
Wallace who did the interview Mike was a

1834
01:27:15,290 --> 01:27:11,820
journalist I really respected and

1835
01:27:18,350 --> 01:27:15,300
certainly one of the best over time but

1836
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:18,360
at the time it was almost instilled in

1837
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:21,600
major media Talking Heads

1838
01:27:27,530 --> 01:27:23,520
a huge amount of my work over the years

1839
01:27:30,290 --> 01:27:27,540
has been how the birth of UFO ridicule

1840
01:27:33,229 --> 01:27:30,300
how did it happen it's totally counter

1841
01:27:34,729 --> 01:27:33,239
intuitive if you see somebody you know

1842
01:27:38,030 --> 01:27:34,739
and say hey I saw something in the sky

1843
01:27:40,010 --> 01:27:38,040
that I never saw before from 1947 on

1844
01:27:42,290 --> 01:27:40,020
America and the Western world was

1845
01:27:44,810 --> 01:27:42,300
brilliantly conditioned to think

1846
01:27:47,870 --> 01:27:44,820
what's wrong with this guy is he

1847
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:47,880
delusional does he want to fool me has

1848
01:27:53,629 --> 01:27:50,880
he become a Mystic is he have um you

1849
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:53,639
know is he institutionalizable is he

1850
01:27:57,709 --> 01:27:56,159
want to be famous Wilhelm Rock had a

1851
01:27:58,970 --> 01:27:57,719
wonderful phrase called evasion of the

1852
01:28:02,209 --> 01:27:58,980
obvious

1853
01:28:05,750 --> 01:28:02,219
the idea that it was Little Green Men

1854
01:28:08,030 --> 01:28:05,760
from Mars everybody well you know hahaha

1855
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:08,040
and it worked and it's only as we know

1856
01:28:14,750 --> 01:28:10,800
in the last three or four years that it

1857
01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:14,760
started to unravel and by giving Kehoe a

1858
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:17,040
voice and it was very articulate he

1859
01:28:21,649 --> 01:28:19,679
didn't take crap from anyone and he said

1860
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:21,659
what was on his mind and it drove people

1861
01:28:26,570 --> 01:28:24,480
to his books and one after another they

1862
01:28:29,689 --> 01:28:26,580
became New York Times another newspaper

1863
01:28:32,450 --> 01:28:29,699
best sellers around the country and that

1864
01:28:34,129 --> 01:28:32,460
part of America at least had a serious

1865
01:28:35,629 --> 01:28:34,139
introduction to the subject while

1866
01:28:38,930 --> 01:28:35,639
everybody else is laughing up their

1867
01:28:42,169 --> 01:28:38,940
sleeve yeah Neville kind of you're right

1868
01:28:43,010 --> 01:28:42,179
he really invented the form in a way

1869
01:28:45,950 --> 01:28:43,020
like

1870
01:28:49,370 --> 01:28:45,960
um you know Jack Parr kind of invented

1871
01:28:52,490 --> 01:28:49,380
late night talk show uh along with a few

1872
01:28:54,350 --> 01:28:52,500
other pioneers and nothing's ever been

1873
01:28:59,870 --> 01:28:54,360
the same since no that's right that's

1874
01:29:02,290 --> 01:28:59,880
right and Kehoe was able to uh stay a in

1875
01:29:06,590 --> 01:29:02,300
his military face

1876
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:06,600
he never broke he never broke from his

1877
01:29:11,629 --> 01:29:08,880
absolute seriousness I don't think the

1878
01:29:14,629 --> 01:29:11,639
man ever laughed if he did it was never

1879
01:29:19,189 --> 01:29:14,639
on camera I know one of the things there

1880
01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:19,199
is that my dad's generation he was a

1881
01:29:24,830 --> 01:29:20,239
decorated

1882
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:24,840
Marine combat pilot in Europe and

1883
01:29:32,570 --> 01:29:29,760
that cachet nobody laughed at so you

1884
01:29:35,149 --> 01:29:32,580
listened if you were a veteran or in a

1885
01:29:37,850 --> 01:29:35,159
veteran's family or you know a proud

1886
01:29:40,669 --> 01:29:37,860
American coming out of uh the hot War

1887
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:40,679
into the Cold War this was a voice that

1888
01:29:46,430 --> 01:29:43,679
was reasonable even while everything

1889
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:46,440
else in the media pushed gently Along by

1890
01:29:50,270 --> 01:29:48,480
the government was saying Move Along

1891
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folks nothing to see here

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we got to take a break right here let's

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get it in our guest tonight the one and

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only Peter Robbins what a great

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conversation I knew it but we got a lot

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of work to do we got a top last night

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and we are going to do just that my

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guest Peter Robbins I'm your host Jimmy

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church this is Fade to Black and The

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Game Changer Network in kgra the planet

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[Music]

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way out here we listened to Jimmy Church

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you're listening to Fade to Black

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always on the edge of the hottest

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[Applause]

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do you want to be an official fate or

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not of course you do this is Jimmy

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headed do you wonder about the food

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supply I do disruptions in the food

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you are listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy church this is Revolution the

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revolution is on radio

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[Music]

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Welcome Back Fade to Black I'm your host

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Jimmy Church our guest tonight Peter

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Robbins more with Peter in just a second

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because Peter left the room he's that

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he's not even on camera he's not even on

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nothing yeah just imagine this you go

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guest tonight Peter Robbins and P later

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um I wanted to uh back up for a second

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01:36:58,910 --> 01:36:56,760
and I I thought of Anne ruffle

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01:37:02,270 --> 01:36:58,920
and Andrew I want to share and ruffle

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01:37:07,729 --> 01:37:02,280
story with you so I have Anne she lives

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01:37:10,129 --> 01:37:07,739
a couple of Miles uh from me and she was

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01:37:12,530 --> 01:37:10,139
in possession she just recently passed

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and and rest in peace and she was just

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01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:15,060
amazing but anyway she

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um she goes Jimmy right her little voice

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Jimmy

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01:37:24,410 --> 01:37:22,619
do you want to see the Rex Heflin

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01:37:27,950 --> 01:37:24,420
Polaroids

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01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:27,960
I said what I have them in a box under

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my bed

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I said head

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what what what what

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right and uh I said are you being here I

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01:37:48,470 --> 01:37:45,050
how cool is that right you know and uh

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01:37:50,930 --> 01:37:48,480
uh now I'm wondering where they are she

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01:37:54,310 --> 01:37:50,940
has left this earth and the Rex Heflin

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01:37:58,010 --> 01:37:54,320
pictures were in a box under her bed and

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01:38:00,950 --> 01:37:58,020
I wow well anyway but that's not the

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01:38:03,350 --> 01:38:00,960
best part of the story so we're sitting

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01:38:05,330 --> 01:38:03,360
you know we're talking about you know uh

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01:38:07,250 --> 01:38:05,340
McDonald and and things and it was just

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01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:07,260
a wonderful conversation she was just

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01:38:13,729 --> 01:38:10,560
precious and and thinking she was

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01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:13,739
probably in her late 80s you know when I

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01:38:18,890 --> 01:38:16,800
was uh uh when I had her on the show but

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01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:18,900
she goes

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01:38:23,990 --> 01:38:20,639
Jimmy can you hold on for a second

2052
01:38:27,530 --> 01:38:24,000
there's somebody at my door

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01:38:29,450 --> 01:38:27,540
is that okay go ahead Ed and I can hear

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01:38:31,129 --> 01:38:29,460
her she gets up she walks across the

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01:38:34,850 --> 01:38:31,139
floor and we're all listening to her

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01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:34,860
hello she opens up her door and she's

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01:38:40,970 --> 01:38:37,440
talking and she comes back

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01:38:43,189 --> 01:38:40,980
that was the gas company I have a I have

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01:38:45,530 --> 01:38:43,199
a problem and they're they're outside

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01:38:47,629 --> 01:38:45,540
working working on the house I said Ann

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you are the best she goes I'm so sorry

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01:38:54,830 --> 01:38:50,280
about that they might come back if they

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01:38:57,890 --> 01:38:54,840
do I'll get the door again like and I I

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love you and this is Radio gold right

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01:39:04,010 --> 01:39:01,440
now absolute radio gold

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um uh I just I I miss her so much she

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was just she was she's also one of the

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finest

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um research writers we had and one of

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01:39:15,709 --> 01:39:12,300
the reasons why her biography of Dr

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01:39:17,870 --> 01:39:15,719
McDonald will never be equaled was she

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01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:17,880
was very close to him and they worked

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01:39:23,629 --> 01:39:20,880
closely together and she wrote it with

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01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:23,639
such objectivity and such knowledge of

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01:39:30,290 --> 01:39:26,400
his life and work with access through

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01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:30,300
his family to his archives that it's

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01:39:35,930 --> 01:39:32,400
it's literally a Greek tragedy he was

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01:39:38,209 --> 01:39:35,940
beyond brilliant and courageous

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01:39:40,910 --> 01:39:38,219
um in a way that very few you people in

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01:39:43,850 --> 01:39:40,920
public life were when going up against

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01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:43,860
the establishment and trying to let them

2082
01:39:49,490 --> 01:39:47,040
understand the reality of this problem

2083
01:39:52,370 --> 01:39:49,500
and this situation and this phenomenon

2084
01:39:56,930 --> 01:39:52,380
well he was uh he was extremely educated

2085
01:39:58,970 --> 01:39:56,940
and appear intellectual and uh so his

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01:40:01,910 --> 01:39:58,980
approach to this he knew something was

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01:40:05,209 --> 01:40:01,920
going on and I do believe

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01:40:09,530 --> 01:40:05,219
um and as Anne believes he he stumbled

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01:40:11,689 --> 01:40:09,540
onto some secret stuff and now did that

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01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:11,699
caught you know in his death was was

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01:40:17,570 --> 01:40:14,639
strange and weird and all of that but

2092
01:40:19,390 --> 01:40:17,580
the other part was I think that Anne

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01:40:25,490 --> 01:40:19,400
wrote the book

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01:40:27,470 --> 01:40:25,500
uh from the center when she was also I'm

2095
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:27,480
not saying it was she was romantically

2096
01:40:32,450 --> 01:40:30,960
involved uh with James well maybe I

2097
01:40:35,629 --> 01:40:32,460
don't know but

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01:40:38,030 --> 01:40:35,639
um but she had she held him in such high

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01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:38,040
regard and she could have written the

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01:40:44,450 --> 01:40:41,040
book from another mindset and she didn't

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01:40:47,530 --> 01:40:44,460
do that it wasn't a fan girl you know

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01:40:50,209 --> 01:40:47,540
written with passion It Was Written very

2103
01:40:52,609 --> 01:40:50,219
from an objective place and and you're

2104
01:40:55,550 --> 01:40:52,619
right about that but she was very close

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01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:55,560
to him and you can tell in the interview

2106
01:41:00,410 --> 01:40:58,320
that I did and for everybody out there

2107
01:41:02,149 --> 01:41:00,420
it's in the archives you can go back and

2108
01:41:04,910 --> 01:41:02,159
listen to it

2109
01:41:08,510 --> 01:41:04,920
um I think she was saddened they were

2110
01:41:10,970 --> 01:41:08,520
very very close and that was part of her

2111
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:10,980
life she was chasing this along with

2112
01:41:16,970 --> 01:41:13,440
James and then all of a sudden he's gone

2113
01:41:20,030 --> 01:41:16,980
and it was it was very tough on her two

2114
01:41:22,970 --> 01:41:20,040
quick epilogues one is that um he took

2115
01:41:27,770 --> 01:41:22,980
his life in 71 but he was increasingly

2116
01:41:29,330 --> 01:41:27,780
furious at Dr J Allen heineck who was a

2117
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:29,340
paid

2118
01:41:35,149 --> 01:41:32,159
employee of the CIA involved in

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01:41:37,070 --> 01:41:35,159
counterproductive in knowledge for

2120
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:37,080
public dissemination about the UFO

2121
01:41:44,030 --> 01:41:40,080
phenomena to put people off to continue

2122
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:44,040
the debunking ETC and he tore him a new

2123
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:47,280
one he let him have it so bad that many

2124
01:41:56,270 --> 01:41:51,840
of us credit his Blast Of Rage directly

2125
01:41:58,729 --> 01:41:56,280
at heinek to his face with the guilt

2126
01:42:01,129 --> 01:41:58,739
also and the sadness of his death not

2127
01:42:03,229 --> 01:42:01,139
long after with heinek's completely

2128
01:42:09,070 --> 01:42:03,239
turning around but here's a little bit

2129
01:42:13,609 --> 01:42:11,750
McDonald was an atmospheric physicist

2130
01:42:15,770 --> 01:42:13,619
and one of the most respected in the

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01:42:18,350 --> 01:42:15,780
United States he was associated with the

2132
01:42:20,750 --> 01:42:18,360
University of Arizona where he lived and

2133
01:42:23,689 --> 01:42:20,760
when the SST that went on to become the

2134
01:42:26,689 --> 01:42:23,699
Concord was undergoing Congressional

2135
01:42:28,370 --> 01:42:26,699
hearings about its potential safety or

2136
01:42:30,649 --> 01:42:28,380
pollution or whatever he was asked to

2137
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:30,659
testify they couldn't have gotten a

2138
01:42:34,910 --> 01:42:32,639
better person but one certain Senator

2139
01:42:36,770 --> 01:42:34,920
Ryan from my home state

2140
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:36,780
basically blew him out of the water

2141
01:42:41,090 --> 01:42:39,600
humiliated him internationally put him

2142
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:41,100
into even even worse depression by

2143
01:42:44,750 --> 01:42:42,960
saying aren't you the guy that thinks

2144
01:42:47,570 --> 01:42:44,760
flying sauces are real why should we

2145
01:42:49,250 --> 01:42:47,580
listen to you on this well some years

2146
01:42:52,669 --> 01:42:49,260
later when the people's Temple moved

2147
01:42:55,010 --> 01:42:52,679
down to Jonestown and Jim Jones went

2148
01:42:57,770 --> 01:42:55,020
kind of crazy uh

2149
01:42:59,510 --> 01:42:57,780
it was um Ryan who was one of the

2150
01:43:01,070 --> 01:42:59,520
congressmen who went down to confront

2151
01:43:02,870 --> 01:43:01,080
him because he had constituents that

2152
01:43:06,470 --> 01:43:02,880
were in the people's Temple he was on

2153
01:43:09,050 --> 01:43:06,480
the plane that's right Senator Ryan was

2154
01:43:11,090 --> 01:43:09,060
shot dead on the tarmac when he landed

2155
01:43:12,350 --> 01:43:11,100
shortly before all these people took

2156
01:43:14,930 --> 01:43:12,360
their lives and

2157
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:14,940
I always thought that was you know as I

2158
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:17,280
think it was H.L Menken who once said I

2159
01:43:21,050 --> 01:43:18,960
have never killed a man but I have read

2160
01:43:23,870 --> 01:43:21,060
many obituaries I have approved of many

2161
01:43:27,169 --> 01:43:23,880
obituaries that I have read now

2162
01:43:30,830 --> 01:43:27,179
um uh one author I've got to get your

2163
01:43:33,609 --> 01:43:30,840
take because somebody that sucked me in

2164
01:43:37,330 --> 01:43:33,619
was John keel

2165
01:43:43,910 --> 01:43:37,340
John had a way of getting it done

2166
01:43:45,950 --> 01:43:43,920
and and it it was I he he almost wrote

2167
01:43:46,669 --> 01:43:45,960
now I don't want to put words in your

2168
01:43:49,850 --> 01:43:46,679
mouth

2169
01:43:53,810 --> 01:43:49,860
but he made me go into a dream state

2170
01:43:56,510 --> 01:43:53,820
does does that did he do that for you

2171
01:43:58,370 --> 01:43:56,520
I was lucky enough to know John it was

2172
01:44:01,490 --> 01:43:58,380
once again the late great Timothy Green

2173
01:44:03,410 --> 01:44:01,500
Beckley who introduced me and I used to

2174
01:44:05,570 --> 01:44:03,420
go to you know hang out in Tim's

2175
01:44:08,090 --> 01:44:05,580
apartment on East on East 30th Street in

2176
01:44:10,669 --> 01:44:08,100
Manhattan and John would talk if there'd

2177
01:44:13,010 --> 01:44:10,679
be half a dozen of us there or a very

2178
01:44:15,229 --> 01:44:13,020
small venue maybe 20 people a little

2179
01:44:18,950 --> 01:44:15,239
bitty rental Hall above a tiny

2180
01:44:21,649 --> 01:44:18,960
restaurant he loved irony had a great

2181
01:44:24,530 --> 01:44:21,659
sense of humor and

2182
01:44:27,410 --> 01:44:24,540
some years before I met him I had

2183
01:44:29,390 --> 01:44:27,420
returned from an adventure that you

2184
01:44:32,810 --> 01:44:29,400
couldn't buy now for 10 million dollars

2185
01:44:34,609 --> 01:44:32,820
I had failed my draft physical I put a

2186
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:34,619
pack on my back well I joined the

2187
01:44:38,990 --> 01:44:36,239
Norwegian Merchant Marine who wouldn't

2188
01:44:41,689 --> 01:44:39,000
shipped out as a a deckhand on a

2189
01:44:44,270 --> 01:44:41,699
freighter and just started to drift East

2190
01:44:45,649 --> 01:44:44,280
and ended up fairly close to the Tibetan

2191
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:45,659
border having traveled the whole way

2192
01:44:52,330 --> 01:44:48,480
Overland but I saw things walking around

2193
01:44:55,070 --> 01:44:52,340
India that I still can't quite reconcile

2194
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:55,080
explored parts of Afghanistan on my own

2195
01:45:01,790 --> 01:44:58,560
twice roamed around Iran I was gone for

2196
01:45:02,689 --> 01:45:01,800
a year all on my own all in days where

2197
01:45:04,729 --> 01:45:02,699
you couldn't

2198
01:45:07,010 --> 01:45:04,739
Call Your folks or anything like that

2199
01:45:09,290 --> 01:45:07,020
and John did something much the same was

2200
01:45:12,490 --> 01:45:09,300
he was he was younger the book that he

2201
01:45:15,770 --> 01:45:12,500
wrote was his first one is called yaru

2202
01:45:18,830 --> 01:45:15,780
j-a-d-o-o and it's you see pictures of

2203
01:45:20,870 --> 01:45:18,840
John super slim with the pith helmet in

2204
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:20,880
obscure parts of the third world roaming

2205
01:45:25,729 --> 01:45:23,280
around I had that connection with him

2206
01:45:29,270 --> 01:45:25,739
which we talked about in which he saw me

2207
01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:29,280
as sort of a a brother Seeker out in the

2208
01:45:35,570 --> 01:45:31,679
midst of everything all by yourself and

2209
01:45:38,750 --> 01:45:35,580
living by your wits he his books like

2210
01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:38,760
fort's books like valet's books they

2211
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:41,280
challenge your thinking and again

2212
01:45:44,149 --> 01:45:43,570
there's always a Twist of irony

2213
01:45:44,750 --> 01:45:44,159
[Music]

2214
01:45:47,450 --> 01:45:44,760
um

2215
01:45:49,550 --> 01:45:47,460
he was if he didn't like what you were

2216
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:49,560
doing or he thought somebody in the uh

2217
01:45:55,010 --> 01:45:51,840
the world of you know paranormal studies

2218
01:45:56,689 --> 01:45:55,020
was uh an Arrogant Bastard he would let

2219
01:45:58,609 --> 01:45:56,699
you know and sometimes if he had a

2220
01:46:00,790 --> 01:45:58,619
chance he would let them know he could

2221
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:00,800
have cared less

2222
01:46:11,149 --> 01:46:07,280
now what what where did his knowledge of

2223
01:46:13,189 --> 01:46:11,159
esoterica and hermetica and the ancient

2224
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:13,199
teachings

2225
01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:16,080
um that he woved in and would make these

2226
01:46:20,330 --> 01:46:18,000
very obscure references that weren't

2227
01:46:22,490 --> 01:46:20,340
necessarily directly connected to what

2228
01:46:26,689 --> 01:46:22,500
he was writing about but it seemed like

2229
01:46:28,250 --> 01:46:26,699
he was putting like secret code in you

2230
01:46:29,750 --> 01:46:28,260
know and it suddenly you know if you

2231
01:46:31,370 --> 01:46:29,760
know about her medicine you know you

2232
01:46:33,950 --> 01:46:31,380
know what if you I know what you're

2233
01:46:37,910 --> 01:46:33,960
talking about and it comes from

2234
01:46:39,709 --> 01:46:37,920
something remarkably simple he was an

2235
01:46:42,350 --> 01:46:39,719
obsessive reader

2236
01:46:44,689 --> 01:46:42,360
in his small apartment in New York City

2237
01:46:47,450 --> 01:46:44,699
he had a wonderful Library he used the

2238
01:46:49,550 --> 01:46:47,460
New York City Public Library as well and

2239
01:46:54,470 --> 01:46:49,560
like a lot of great thinkers you get

2240
01:46:57,729 --> 01:46:54,480
involved in a certain obscure esoteric

2241
01:47:00,830 --> 01:46:57,739
study or aspect of life or civilization

2242
01:47:02,810 --> 01:47:00,840
and then you realize that you need to

2243
01:47:05,510 --> 01:47:02,820
learn more about this aspect of what

2244
01:47:07,850 --> 01:47:05,520
influenced them and

2245
01:47:10,490 --> 01:47:07,860
it's a very exciting thing you can look

2246
01:47:13,129 --> 01:47:10,500
like you know the world is going by you

2247
01:47:16,010 --> 01:47:13,139
and nobody noticed you on the street but

2248
01:47:18,229 --> 01:47:16,020
your mind is Ablaze with ideas and

2249
01:47:20,270 --> 01:47:18,239
synapses are snapping and you make

2250
01:47:24,290 --> 01:47:20,280
connections for me one of the most

2251
01:47:25,850 --> 01:47:24,300
exciting times for me is the many years

2252
01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:25,860
I spent in the main branch of the New

2253
01:47:30,770 --> 01:47:28,080
York City New York City public library

2254
01:47:33,229 --> 01:47:30,780
in the Rose reading room which is one of

2255
01:47:34,790 --> 01:47:33,239
the great public halls in America if

2256
01:47:37,070 --> 01:47:34,800
you're ever in New York it's not usually

2257
01:47:40,129 --> 01:47:37,080
thought of as a tourist spot oh it's a

2258
01:47:41,689 --> 01:47:40,139
Second Street yeah Fifth Avenue go in go

2259
01:47:43,970 --> 01:47:41,699
to the top floor and go into the rose

2260
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:43,980
reading it's bigger than a football

2261
01:47:50,390 --> 01:47:48,000
field and it's just reference books but

2262
01:47:53,330 --> 01:47:50,400
now it's computers and you can read all

2263
01:47:55,970 --> 01:47:53,340
day in there you can it's

2264
01:47:58,850 --> 01:47:55,980
you are connected with the great akashic

2265
01:48:01,669 --> 01:47:58,860
record in terms of books and now of

2266
01:48:03,890 --> 01:48:01,679
course digitized information but John's

2267
01:48:07,070 --> 01:48:03,900
mind worked like that and he was an Avid

2268
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:07,080
Reader that's how he was able to do that

2269
01:48:12,350 --> 01:48:10,320
he traveled but a lot of it was reading

2270
01:48:14,090 --> 01:48:12,360
like for me

2271
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:14,100
um I feel connected to almost every

2272
01:48:19,250 --> 01:48:16,560
place I've ever visited and I mean it

2273
01:48:21,290 --> 01:48:19,260
literally I listen like right now that

2274
01:48:23,330 --> 01:48:21,300
we're pulling out of Afghanistan I

2275
01:48:26,050 --> 01:48:23,340
roamed around Afghanistan twice on my

2276
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:26,060
own at a time when it was a peaceful

2277
01:48:32,149 --> 01:48:28,560
tolerant ancient Kingdom

2278
01:48:34,669 --> 01:48:32,159
you know without threat but still you

2279
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:34,679
know you're on your own in one of the

2280
01:48:40,370 --> 01:48:37,440
rawest parts of the world and to this

2281
01:48:42,290 --> 01:48:40,380
day everything that happens there is

2282
01:48:45,229 --> 01:48:42,300
important to me the fact that we are

2283
01:48:46,910 --> 01:48:45,239
leaving behind too many people who help

2284
01:48:48,830 --> 01:48:46,920
the Americans that we didn't get out

2285
01:48:51,890 --> 01:48:48,840
early enough they're going to die

2286
01:48:54,169 --> 01:48:51,900
because the Taliban will take over they

2287
01:48:56,030 --> 01:48:54,179
should all die as far as I'm concerned I

2288
01:48:59,330 --> 01:48:56,040
hate those bastards

2289
01:49:02,410 --> 01:48:59,340
um Isis more but

2290
01:49:06,649 --> 01:49:02,420
you you move into the rest of your life

2291
01:49:07,330 --> 01:49:06,659
curious always about these places

2292
01:49:11,570 --> 01:49:07,340
um

2293
01:49:14,330 --> 01:49:11,580
Nepal ancient Nepal before the airport

2294
01:49:15,890 --> 01:49:14,340
was enlarged and jets could go in you

2295
01:49:18,530 --> 01:49:15,900
had to go in there Overland you know

2296
01:49:21,410 --> 01:49:18,540
we've all seen these pictures online of

2297
01:49:24,050 --> 01:49:21,420
buses with drops a mile down and six

2298
01:49:26,270 --> 01:49:24,060
inches of road to spare I spent eight

2299
01:49:28,609 --> 01:49:26,280
hours on one of those buses much to the

2300
01:49:30,290 --> 01:49:28,619
credit of the uh the British engineering

2301
01:49:33,970 --> 01:49:30,300
Corps and much to one of the great

2302
01:49:37,490 --> 01:49:33,980
driving Terrors on my life I when I left

2303
01:49:39,470 --> 01:49:37,500
Nepal I was so adamant on not taking

2304
01:49:42,649 --> 01:49:39,480
that road back monsoons were already

2305
01:49:45,530 --> 01:49:42,659
there and I chartered a small plane to

2306
01:49:48,709 --> 01:49:45,540
go over the lower Himalayas in a monsoon

2307
01:49:50,990 --> 01:49:48,719
which was also problematic at times and

2308
01:49:54,350 --> 01:49:51,000
one of those well maybe this is how I go

2309
01:49:56,149 --> 01:49:54,360
but you're connected you want more

2310
01:49:58,370 --> 01:49:56,159
information from the place you want to

2311
01:50:01,430 --> 01:49:58,380
learn more about its history you never

2312
01:50:04,370 --> 01:50:01,440
grow old in that sense you just keep

2313
01:50:07,609 --> 01:50:04,380
wanting to learn and that's a precious

2314
01:50:10,669 --> 01:50:07,619
place to be you know so many people

2315
01:50:12,890 --> 01:50:10,679
they're old by the time they're 30. they

2316
01:50:14,330 --> 01:50:12,900
just keep breathing but they're not

2317
01:50:16,970 --> 01:50:14,340
going anywhere they're not going where

2318
01:50:19,490 --> 01:50:16,980
even if they're traveling the process

2319
01:50:21,770 --> 01:50:19,500
has stopped to a degree they need to be

2320
01:50:24,290 --> 01:50:21,780
entertained they need to be stimulated

2321
01:50:26,149 --> 01:50:24,300
by if they go to the movies it's got to

2322
01:50:28,310 --> 01:50:26,159
have a lot of explosions and car crashes

2323
01:50:29,629 --> 01:50:28,320
and a high body count rather than a

2324
01:50:31,910 --> 01:50:29,639
wonderful old black and white movie

2325
01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:31,920
where people are acting and there's a

2326
01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:34,080
great script and wonderful performers

2327
01:50:37,129 --> 01:50:35,520
and

2328
01:50:38,270 --> 01:50:37,139
you know

2329
01:50:42,830 --> 01:50:38,280
um

2330
01:50:46,189 --> 01:50:42,840
a simple gesture or a double entender

2331
01:50:47,629 --> 01:50:46,199
can be sexier than a porn film which I

2332
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:47,639
don't think are very sexy to start with

2333
01:50:53,930 --> 01:50:51,360
but once again the theater of the Mind

2334
01:50:57,530 --> 01:50:53,940
the power of the imagination the desire

2335
01:50:59,810 --> 01:50:57,540
the drive to want to know more my dad

2336
01:51:02,750 --> 01:50:59,820
who was not just a great dad but a great

2337
01:51:04,850 --> 01:51:02,760
guy he was tragically snatched from us

2338
01:51:06,830 --> 01:51:04,860
about two and a half years ago at 98

2339
01:51:09,470 --> 01:51:06,840
years and seven months old

2340
01:51:11,510 --> 01:51:09,480
he was totally Compass mentors until a

2341
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:11,520
few days before he died and he died on

2342
01:51:15,589 --> 01:51:12,960
his own terms

2343
01:51:17,990 --> 01:51:15,599
he wrote A Memoir that he started when

2344
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:18,000
he was 95 years old and finished when he

2345
01:51:22,129 --> 01:51:20,400
was 97. and for anybody that wants to

2346
01:51:25,609 --> 01:51:22,139
read it you can find it on Amazon it's

2347
01:51:27,169 --> 01:51:25,619
called an ordinary man well that's a

2348
01:51:28,850 --> 01:51:27,179
point of his modesty but that was the

2349
01:51:31,490 --> 01:51:28,860
title of the book he did one radio

2350
01:51:33,830 --> 01:51:31,500
interview with the sister of a friend of

2351
01:51:37,250 --> 01:51:33,840
mine who was a fairly well-known uh

2352
01:51:39,010 --> 01:51:37,260
broadcaster in Hawaii and he's hard of

2353
01:51:41,450 --> 01:51:39,020
hearing he had one of those old

2354
01:51:43,910 --> 01:51:41,460
high-tech 70s phones where you'd say

2355
01:51:45,770 --> 01:51:43,920
something and five seconds later an LED

2356
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:45,780
printout would appear

2357
01:51:51,169 --> 01:51:49,199
and you would respond so there are lots

2358
01:51:53,390 --> 01:51:51,179
of pauses it was pre-recorded they

2359
01:51:55,189 --> 01:51:53,400
closed the pauses he sounded great the

2360
01:51:57,589 --> 01:51:55,199
final question that Annette had for him

2361
01:51:59,450 --> 01:51:57,599
was you know Alan you've lived such a

2362
01:52:01,790 --> 01:51:59,460
long life you've lived through history

2363
01:52:04,010 --> 01:52:01,800
you've had tragedies you've had

2364
01:52:06,350 --> 01:52:04,020
wonderful things that happen what is it

2365
01:52:08,270 --> 01:52:06,360
that makes you want to keep going on and

2366
01:52:09,830 --> 01:52:08,280
waking up every morning aside from you

2367
01:52:12,530 --> 01:52:09,840
know your loved ones

2368
01:52:14,930 --> 01:52:12,540
and I thought I want to see doubt how

2369
01:52:16,850 --> 01:52:14,940
dad's going to answer this right

2370
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:16,860
and he was quiet for a moment and then

2371
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:18,480
he said quote unquote

2372
01:52:29,689 --> 01:52:27,470
sir right

2373
01:52:32,149 --> 01:52:29,699
and hopefully we all will wake up every

2374
01:52:34,189 --> 01:52:32,159
morning continuing to want to see how

2375
01:52:35,930 --> 01:52:34,199
things turn out wow we live in an

2376
01:52:39,229 --> 01:52:35,940
interesting World we're part of it we do

2377
01:52:40,970 --> 01:52:39,239
and and this is where uh and we'll

2378
01:52:42,410 --> 01:52:40,980
continue this after the break of course

2379
01:52:45,350 --> 01:52:42,420
but

2380
01:52:47,350 --> 01:52:45,360
um through these World travels and

2381
01:52:52,010 --> 01:52:47,360
everything that is going on

2382
01:52:55,250 --> 01:52:52,020
did you did you have a sense that that

2383
01:52:56,990 --> 01:52:55,260
UFOs and ufology would take over your

2384
01:52:59,990 --> 01:52:57,000
life was this something that was on the

2385
01:53:01,669 --> 01:53:00,000
back of your mind it wasn't even in the

2386
01:53:04,669 --> 01:53:01,679
back of the back of my mind this was

2387
01:53:07,729 --> 01:53:04,679
quite some years before I had even a

2388
01:53:09,109 --> 01:53:07,739
remote interest in it with one brief

2389
01:53:12,050 --> 01:53:09,119
exception

2390
01:53:14,870 --> 01:53:12,060
um in Nepal I was in a small city called

2391
01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:14,880
swinebu Over the River from Kathmandu

2392
01:53:21,050 --> 01:53:18,239
where I had taken a room at the matchbox

2393
01:53:23,209 --> 01:53:21,060
hotel and every day I would visit the

2394
01:53:25,550 --> 01:53:23,219
stupa there it's as I recall it was the

2395
01:53:28,430 --> 01:53:25,560
second most holy stupa in Tibetan

2396
01:53:30,649 --> 01:53:28,440
Buddhism stupas are an architectural

2397
01:53:33,109 --> 01:53:30,659
form you've probably seen them if you're

2398
01:53:37,070 --> 01:53:33,119
interested in that stuff it's just a

2399
01:53:39,290 --> 01:53:37,080
large Dome often sitting on a platform

2400
01:53:45,350 --> 01:53:39,300
with

2401
01:53:47,570 --> 01:53:45,360
and in each inset is a prayer wheel and

2402
01:53:50,450 --> 01:53:47,580
monks will do their devotions by walking

2403
01:53:53,890 --> 01:53:50,460
around and spinning the prayer wheel on

2404
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:53,900
each prayer wheel Omani Had Me From

2405
01:53:58,250 --> 01:53:56,400
and I thought at first I thought this is

2406
01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:58,260
interesting it's sort of like if you

2407
01:54:03,470 --> 01:54:00,960
were a Catholic and you were working a

2408
01:54:06,649 --> 01:54:03,480
huge Rosary it's just a meditative thing

2409
01:54:09,050 --> 01:54:06,659
on the top are always these big cuplas

2410
01:54:11,450 --> 01:54:09,060
often brass or copper and kept polish

2411
01:54:14,149 --> 01:54:11,460
each side of which is the All-Seeing

2412
01:54:15,950 --> 01:54:14,159
eyes of Buddha and I remember as

2413
01:54:18,109 --> 01:54:15,960
monsoons were coming it had little

2414
01:54:19,850 --> 01:54:18,119
prayer Flags coming off of it one of

2415
01:54:22,370 --> 01:54:19,860
those moments is a photographer that you

2416
01:54:24,890 --> 01:54:22,380
live for in front of you is a major

2417
01:54:26,810 --> 01:54:24,900
storm the wind is whipping the flags but

2418
01:54:28,430 --> 01:54:26,820
behind you the Sun is setting so you've

2419
01:54:30,770 --> 01:54:28,440
got that extraordinary quality of life

2420
01:54:32,750 --> 01:54:30,780
and I thought wait a minute

2421
01:54:36,050 --> 01:54:32,760
this thing looks like a flying saucer

2422
01:54:38,570 --> 01:54:36,060
from the movies it's this totally curved

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01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:38,580
landed thing with Windows and I went to

2424
01:54:43,250 --> 01:54:40,320
the local Historical Society in

2425
01:54:45,770 --> 01:54:43,260
Kathmandu soon after asked the librarian

2426
01:54:49,129 --> 01:54:45,780
if there was any reference or if she

2427
01:54:50,750 --> 01:54:49,139
knew the the origin of the form because

2428
01:54:52,850 --> 01:54:50,760
the form could have easily come before

2429
01:54:55,189 --> 01:54:52,860
the cuplas were put on them of course

2430
01:54:57,649 --> 01:54:55,199
she didn't know nobody knew and the

2431
01:55:00,290 --> 01:54:57,659
thought passed but that was my only real

2432
01:55:02,089 --> 01:55:00,300
moment of thinking about UFOs or

2433
01:55:05,450 --> 01:55:02,099
anything like that during that whole

2434
01:55:07,129 --> 01:55:05,460
year of uh wandering half the planet on

2435
01:55:10,089 --> 01:55:07,139
my own and managing to come back pretty

2436
01:55:14,209 --> 01:55:10,099
much in one piece and you have to wonder

2437
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:14,219
how far back in time well there it goes

2438
01:55:20,330 --> 01:55:17,280
right it could have predated everything

2439
01:55:23,030 --> 01:55:20,340
yes you know no problem yeah we don't

2440
01:55:25,850 --> 01:55:23,040
know we don't know and when did the uh

2441
01:55:28,010 --> 01:55:25,860
when did the fork in the road occur

2442
01:55:31,070 --> 01:55:28,020
you know there's there's that defining

2443
01:55:34,129 --> 01:55:31,080
moment in life right and

2444
01:55:35,570 --> 01:55:34,139
and Peter's gonna go One Direction he's

2445
01:55:37,970 --> 01:55:35,580
gonna take the high road he's going to

2446
01:55:41,390 --> 01:55:37,980
take the low road and one of these two

2447
01:55:44,510 --> 01:55:41,400
roads is a UFO Adventure as far as UFOs

2448
01:55:47,810 --> 01:55:44,520
went the fork in the road came in the

2449
01:55:49,850 --> 01:55:47,820
mid 70s when

2450
01:55:52,189 --> 01:55:49,860
a repressed memory from childhood

2451
01:55:54,109 --> 01:55:52,199
re-emerged and with a Vengeance I joke

2452
01:55:55,970 --> 01:55:54,119
with people sometimes that I have other

2453
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:55,980
repressed memories from childhood I

2454
01:56:01,850 --> 01:55:58,320
don't remember them but this one was a

2455
01:56:04,250 --> 01:56:01,860
profoundly unambiguous daylight UFO

2456
01:56:06,709 --> 01:56:04,260
sighting with my sister Helen right in

2457
01:56:09,050 --> 01:56:06,719
front of the house in the village we

2458
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:09,060
came of age in about 30 miles east of

2459
01:56:13,729 --> 01:56:12,000
Manhattan and they were five silvery

2460
01:56:16,129 --> 01:56:13,739
white disc shaped objects that came in

2461
01:56:19,609 --> 01:56:16,139
at high speed without a sound in a very

2462
01:56:23,030 --> 01:56:19,619
precise v formation close enough

2463
01:56:25,790 --> 01:56:23,040
to make out regular detailing around the

2464
01:56:27,470 --> 01:56:25,800
edge of each that many years later after

2465
01:56:30,890 --> 01:56:27,480
my memory return and we first discussed

2466
01:56:33,709 --> 01:56:30,900
it we could only conceive of or read as

2467
01:56:35,990 --> 01:56:33,719
Windows they were elliptical like dinner

2468
01:56:39,229 --> 01:56:36,000
plates held at an angle

2469
01:56:43,010 --> 01:56:39,239
um they were silvery white they had no

2470
01:56:47,149 --> 01:56:43,020
appendages whatsoever and I couldn't

2471
01:56:49,970 --> 01:56:47,159
handle it it was too much of a challenge

2472
01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:49,980
for my really

2473
01:56:55,430 --> 01:56:54,239
very innocent even as a 14 year old

2474
01:56:59,570 --> 01:56:55,440
um

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01:57:01,250 --> 01:56:59,580
mind I I felt that the whole world was

2476
01:57:03,830 --> 01:57:01,260
dropping out from under me that

2477
01:57:05,629 --> 01:57:03,840
everything that I thought I knew and had

2478
01:57:08,109 --> 01:57:05,639
intuited from the adult world was now

2479
01:57:12,530 --> 01:57:08,119
open to question and I didn't like it

2480
01:57:15,109 --> 01:57:12,540
and over the next weeks I did what now I

2481
01:57:17,030 --> 01:57:15,119
thought was impossible I put it out of

2482
01:57:20,689 --> 01:57:17,040
my mind and I just went on for more than

2483
01:57:22,609 --> 01:57:20,699
14 years but when it came back that day

2484
01:57:24,950 --> 01:57:22,619
that Helen and I spoke and that led to

2485
01:57:26,810 --> 01:57:24,960
her telling me about her always

2486
01:57:27,950 --> 01:57:26,820
conscious memories about aspects of

2487
01:57:31,129 --> 01:57:27,960
being taken

2488
01:57:32,089 --> 01:57:31,139
right then and there at the end of that

2489
01:57:34,550 --> 01:57:32,099
period

2490
01:57:37,070 --> 01:57:34,560
and being walked through a curved metal

2491
01:57:39,229 --> 01:57:37,080
hallway put on a metal table the term

2492
01:57:42,050 --> 01:57:39,239
gray was still a decade or so from

2493
01:57:45,589 --> 01:57:42,060
existing and she described them in her

2494
01:57:48,050 --> 01:57:45,599
12 year old Vision as little doctors

2495
01:57:49,850 --> 01:57:48,060
with big heads and big black eyes and

2496
01:57:54,530 --> 01:57:49,860
one very tall one who spoke to me in my

2497
01:57:57,290 --> 01:57:54,540
head and that was it for me and I have

2498
01:58:00,530 --> 01:57:57,300
to tell you Jimmy I resented it because

2499
01:58:02,390 --> 01:58:00,540
it obsessed me to the point that the

2500
01:58:04,550 --> 01:58:02,400
only dream I had really had of adulthood

2501
01:58:06,649 --> 01:58:04,560
from the time I was a kid and I realized

2502
01:58:08,750 --> 01:58:06,659
that there were adults who didn't go to

2503
01:58:10,850 --> 01:58:08,760
the office like my dad or a factory or

2504
01:58:12,530 --> 01:58:10,860
something they did what I did they made

2505
01:58:14,750 --> 01:58:12,540
pictures they made sculptures and they

2506
01:58:18,229 --> 01:58:14,760
sold them to other adults for money

2507
01:58:21,229 --> 01:58:18,239
how can you beat that and I was starting

2508
01:58:23,689 --> 01:58:21,239
to sell my work I had a a loft a

2509
01:58:25,910 --> 01:58:23,699
following I worked in major galleries I

2510
01:58:28,430 --> 01:58:25,920
knew Andy Warhol I knew Roy Lichtenstein

2511
01:58:29,689 --> 01:58:28,440
I had worked as a studio assistant to

2512
01:58:33,050 --> 01:58:29,699
one of the last great abstract

2513
01:58:35,209 --> 01:58:33,060
expressionists Adolf Gottlieb uh right

2514
01:58:38,390 --> 01:58:35,219
up there as a brother with de kooning

2515
01:58:41,270 --> 01:58:38,400
and Pollock and the rest of that ilk I

2516
01:58:43,550 --> 01:58:41,280
was on my way but the rug was pulled out

2517
01:58:45,050 --> 01:58:43,560
from under me I continued to play at it

2518
01:58:48,410 --> 01:58:45,060
and teach painting at the School of

2519
01:58:52,129 --> 01:58:48,420
Visual Arts show my work for some years

2520
01:58:54,050 --> 01:58:52,139
but I had been shot in the heart and I

2521
01:58:56,570 --> 01:58:54,060
couldn't get past the obsession I still

2522
01:58:58,070 --> 01:58:56,580
resented to a degree I think how

2523
01:58:59,750 --> 01:58:58,080
different my life would have been not

2524
01:59:01,310 --> 01:58:59,760
that I'm complaining about the life that

2525
01:59:03,050 --> 01:59:01,320
I've lived since then though don't get

2526
01:59:07,750 --> 01:59:03,060
me wrong no you wouldn't be here right

2527
01:59:12,410 --> 01:59:07,760
now having this amazing conversation but

2528
01:59:15,350 --> 01:59:12,420
the thought of having something so

2529
01:59:17,810 --> 01:59:15,360
traumatic I've I've just got a minute

2530
01:59:20,149 --> 01:59:17,820
before the break something so traumatic

2531
01:59:22,250 --> 01:59:20,159
that it does get blocked out and when

2532
01:59:25,010 --> 01:59:22,260
you hear other people talk about this

2533
01:59:27,229 --> 01:59:25,020
where it seems Sensational like maybe

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01:59:31,070 --> 01:59:27,239
they're you know they're not telling the

2535
01:59:33,350 --> 01:59:31,080
truth and you have this experience it

2536
01:59:35,209 --> 01:59:33,360
makes you wonder doesn't it when the

2537
01:59:37,070 --> 01:59:35,219
memory came back I was looking through

2538
01:59:39,830 --> 01:59:37,080
drawings I had done as a kid on the

2539
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floor of my loft in Chinatown it came

2540
01:59:42,830 --> 01:59:41,400
back within a matter of two minutes and

2541
01:59:45,470 --> 01:59:42,840
it was like on a tape Loop it wouldn't

2542
01:59:47,330 --> 01:59:45,480
stop right I just broke down and cried I

2543
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thought I had to be going insane because

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01:59:52,370 --> 01:59:49,920
nobody could ever forget something like

2545
01:59:54,950 --> 01:59:52,380
that and yet I had of course as the

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01:59:57,470 --> 01:59:54,960
years passed I learned how sadly common

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this is in much more conventional human

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trauma sexual abuse murder you know all

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people that they can't deal with until

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they can deal with it let's take our

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break right here our guest tonight the

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one and only Peter Robbins I am your

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host Jimmy Church what a great

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conversation like I said

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we've got work to do we're going to get

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it done Peter Robbins is our guest this

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Welcome Back Fade to Black I'm Yours

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on the game changer Network in kgra the

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planet our guest tonight Peter Robbins

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and uh this is great Peter because

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I've known you for a long time we've

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talked a lot we've spent way too much

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time on the phone by the way

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02:05:33,709 --> 02:05:31,619
um is uh these are subjects that you and

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I have never talked about and I and I

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really this is what Fade to Black is uh

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you know just a free form uh

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conversation and it's it's funny Peter

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uh Peter broke all of my rules and you

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02:05:49,490 --> 02:05:47,460
know sent me some interesting and and I

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02:05:52,790 --> 02:05:49,500
didn't read the email Peter I was like

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02:05:57,169 --> 02:05:52,800
man I'm not I'm not going to poison my

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mind I'm not gonna do this I'm just not

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gonna do it and and and look where we

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got right and now um uh uh I want to

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back up oh by the way

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Children of Men

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it's it's weird how it comes back you

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know and you know what it took me about

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02:06:18,950 --> 02:06:16,020
five minutes to get to Clive Owen too I

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was listening to you but my brain is

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like working and that's a great story

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but it's a brilliant book and without

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ruining it I'll say the premise is again

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there nobody has been born on Earth for

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like 22 years populations are aging out

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some countries are going totally

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dystopic on each other England the Great

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Britain is holding together not because

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of the royal family they're a non-entity

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not because of parliament or the prime

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minister they don't really exist anymore

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but because of the leader and we're

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seeing this All Through The Eyes of a

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retired Oxford Professor who happens to

2685
02:07:03,470 --> 02:06:59,099
be the cousin of the leader hasn't seen

2686
02:07:06,109 --> 02:07:03,480
him for years and then one day we learn

2687
02:07:09,370 --> 02:07:06,119
a woman is pregnant and the story takes

2688
02:07:12,229 --> 02:07:09,380
off like a rocket from there and but but

2689
02:07:14,450 --> 02:07:12,239
let me let me I gotta step on you no now

2690
02:07:17,270 --> 02:07:14,460
I'm going to step on you I watched that

2691
02:07:19,729 --> 02:07:17,280
movie like two or three times first off

2692
02:07:22,250 --> 02:07:19,739
I love clybone he's great right yeah he

2693
02:07:25,970 --> 02:07:22,260
is and I kept saying to myself there's

2694
02:07:27,229 --> 02:07:25,980
an important story here but I'm just not

2695
02:07:30,290 --> 02:07:27,239
getting it

2696
02:07:32,270 --> 02:07:30,300
and then I went and I I read a review of

2697
02:07:34,669 --> 02:07:32,280
the movie and that it was based on this

2698
02:07:37,189 --> 02:07:34,679
book and what the movie was about I was

2699
02:07:40,129 --> 02:07:37,199
like man how did I miss that

2700
02:07:42,589 --> 02:07:40,139
like three times and that's an example

2701
02:07:45,709 --> 02:07:42,599
of the book is better than the movie the

2702
02:07:50,870 --> 02:07:45,719
the movie wasn't even wasn't even close

2703
02:07:53,569 --> 02:07:50,880
and brilliantly shot well acted but

2704
02:07:55,970 --> 02:07:53,579
totally perfect locations oh yeah just

2705
02:07:58,069 --> 02:07:55,980
right yeah absolutely okay so off of

2706
02:07:59,270 --> 02:07:58,079
Clive Owen though okay let's move off of

2707
02:07:59,950 --> 02:07:59,280
that

2708
02:08:01,669 --> 02:07:59,960
um

2709
02:08:05,290 --> 02:08:01,679
so

2710
02:08:09,229 --> 02:08:05,300
today where we are right now

2711
02:08:10,550 --> 02:08:09,239
versus your hero's journey to get to

2712
02:08:13,669 --> 02:08:10,560
this point

2713
02:08:15,350 --> 02:08:13,679
did it and I'm talking about UFOs the

2714
02:08:17,209 --> 02:08:15,360
media the Pentagon the Senate

2715
02:08:19,010 --> 02:08:17,219
intelligence committee Lou Alexander

2716
02:08:21,410 --> 02:08:19,020
whatever whatever you want to bring up

2717
02:08:22,370 --> 02:08:21,420
Ralph Blumenthal

2718
02:08:26,569 --> 02:08:22,380
um

2719
02:08:29,810 --> 02:08:26,579
did you think it that it took too long

2720
02:08:31,970 --> 02:08:29,820
or are you surprised that we are where

2721
02:08:35,390 --> 02:08:31,980
we are today

2722
02:08:37,970 --> 02:08:35,400
I think it took as long as it took and

2723
02:08:40,370 --> 02:08:37,980
I'm not surprised I thought sooner or

2724
02:08:42,250 --> 02:08:40,380
later we'd get here at the same time

2725
02:08:45,790 --> 02:08:42,260
for 40 years

2726
02:08:49,970 --> 02:08:45,800
every let's say five or six years

2727
02:08:52,490 --> 02:08:49,980
there's a rumor there's a buzz there's

2728
02:08:55,010 --> 02:08:52,500
something about to bust through

2729
02:08:58,069 --> 02:08:55,020
um remember when that extraordinary Walt

2730
02:08:59,390 --> 02:08:58,079
Disney documentary came out uh in the

2731
02:09:02,450 --> 02:08:59,400
90s I think in the Clinton

2732
02:09:04,490 --> 02:09:02,460
Administration this was mind-blowing I

2733
02:09:07,850 --> 02:09:04,500
mean it wasn't Walt Disney Fantasy it

2734
02:09:09,770 --> 02:09:07,860
was we are doing a documentary on why

2735
02:09:12,229 --> 02:09:09,780
you need to get ready for the fact that

2736
02:09:17,149 --> 02:09:12,239
UFOs their occupants the implications

2737
02:09:19,669 --> 02:09:17,159
for Humanity are real and it opened with

2738
02:09:22,790 --> 02:09:19,679
um Michael Eisner the CEO of Walt Disney

2739
02:09:23,870 --> 02:09:22,800
at the time setting it up and I thought

2740
02:09:25,850 --> 02:09:23,880
damn

2741
02:09:27,830 --> 02:09:25,860
if Disney's doing this and we all know

2742
02:09:29,990 --> 02:09:27,840
the clintons are interested in this this

2743
02:09:33,109 --> 02:09:30,000
might be it of course it wasn't there's

2744
02:09:35,209 --> 02:09:33,119
always been the contraction the letdown

2745
02:09:38,750 --> 02:09:35,219
and you know it wasn't going to happen

2746
02:09:41,629 --> 02:09:38,760
but what's happening right now for me is

2747
02:09:44,030 --> 02:09:41,639
number one the

2748
02:09:46,669 --> 02:09:44,040
the traditional secret keeping the

2749
02:09:51,709 --> 02:09:46,679
methodology of doing it it's swamp gas

2750
02:09:54,830 --> 02:09:51,719
it's um fear of uh Alien Invasion going

2751
02:09:57,050 --> 02:09:54,840
back to how everybody reacted in 1938

2752
02:09:58,850 --> 02:09:57,060
listening to Orson Welles wonderful War

2753
02:10:00,410 --> 02:09:58,860
of the Worlds which by the way you

2754
02:10:02,750 --> 02:10:00,420
should listen to it's an extraordinary

2755
02:10:05,390 --> 02:10:02,760
radio play and to think of a simpler

2756
02:10:08,209 --> 02:10:05,400
America listening to it on the eve of

2757
02:10:10,189 --> 02:10:08,219
World War II and so many people buying

2758
02:10:12,589 --> 02:10:10,199
it but it had commercials and it

2759
02:10:16,790 --> 02:10:12,599
collapsed weeks into you know one radio

2760
02:10:19,250 --> 02:10:16,800
show the power of Howard Koch the radio

2761
02:10:21,290 --> 02:10:19,260
writer and the Mercury Theater of the

2762
02:10:24,950 --> 02:10:21,300
air was very compelling what we're

2763
02:10:26,689 --> 02:10:24,960
seeing now I think is the narrative has

2764
02:10:29,390 --> 02:10:26,699
gotten away from the traditional secret

2765
02:10:33,950 --> 02:10:29,400
Keepers they can't tell us at swamp gas

2766
02:10:38,149 --> 02:10:33,960
anymore what they can do is manage

2767
02:10:40,910 --> 02:10:38,159
the show and the big report that came

2768
02:10:42,470 --> 02:10:40,920
out in June well if you're not an

2769
02:10:45,290 --> 02:10:42,480
Insider but you're like you or me and

2770
02:10:47,530 --> 02:10:45,300
you keep up with this stuff and you are

2771
02:10:49,490 --> 02:10:47,540
knowledgeable relatively on the subject

2772
02:10:51,470 --> 02:10:49,500
Shakespeare nailed it as much to do

2773
02:10:54,649 --> 02:10:51,480
about nothing it could be the Chinese it

2774
02:10:56,149 --> 02:10:54,659
could be the Russians and who knows it

2775
02:10:58,370 --> 02:10:56,159
just might be something

2776
02:11:00,890 --> 02:10:58,380
dare we say it really exotic of course

2777
02:11:02,810 --> 02:11:00,900
the odds are against it well that report

2778
02:11:04,609 --> 02:11:02,820
as far as I'm concerned and we'll see

2779
02:11:06,530 --> 02:11:04,619
I'm not good at predicting but I think

2780
02:11:08,810 --> 02:11:06,540
I've got this one right we'll be

2781
02:11:10,930 --> 02:11:08,820
followed by other reports probably

2782
02:11:13,970 --> 02:11:10,940
several a year each one

2783
02:11:15,709 --> 02:11:13,980
managed and of course completely

2784
02:11:18,229 --> 02:11:15,719
constructed they know everything we know

2785
02:11:19,850 --> 02:11:18,239
and more it's gonna be like you know we

2786
02:11:22,729 --> 02:11:19,860
have done more research and we have

2787
02:11:24,649 --> 02:11:22,739
analyzed you know this Frame of the Tic

2788
02:11:26,330 --> 02:11:24,659
Tac or this that and the other thing and

2789
02:11:28,370 --> 02:11:26,340
we have more Navy Pilots coming forward

2790
02:11:30,709 --> 02:11:28,380
we've just recovered this document

2791
02:11:33,470 --> 02:11:30,719
they'll keep it going as long as they

2792
02:11:36,290 --> 02:11:33,480
can what they will never touch willingly

2793
02:11:39,350 --> 02:11:36,300
is the Exotic stuff back engineered

2794
02:11:42,410 --> 02:11:39,360
technology crash retrievals abductions

2795
02:11:45,530 --> 02:11:42,420
missing pregnancies hybrids they'd

2796
02:11:47,629 --> 02:11:45,540
rather die it won't happen I am

2797
02:11:49,729 --> 02:11:47,639
interested though as most of us are in

2798
02:11:52,069 --> 02:11:49,739
what the unredacted version of the

2799
02:11:54,069 --> 02:11:52,079
report is and what's percolating away in

2800
02:11:56,810 --> 02:11:54,079
the minds of the hundreds of people

2801
02:11:58,490 --> 02:11:56,820
members of Congress presidential cabinet

2802
02:12:00,770 --> 02:11:58,500
keep people in the Pentagon keep people

2803
02:12:02,270 --> 02:12:00,780
in the military industrial complex key

2804
02:12:03,890 --> 02:12:02,280
people around the world who are now

2805
02:12:06,709 --> 02:12:03,900
looking at it and saying

2806
02:12:08,990 --> 02:12:06,719
wow this thing that the public hasn't

2807
02:12:11,510 --> 02:12:09,000
seen this is really intriguing maybe

2808
02:12:13,970 --> 02:12:11,520
there really is something more to this I

2809
02:12:15,609 --> 02:12:13,980
know now there is coupled with the fact

2810
02:12:19,069 --> 02:12:15,619
that since

2811
02:12:21,589 --> 02:12:19,079
2017 and a series of articles that came

2812
02:12:23,270 --> 02:12:21,599
out in the times and then the spirit and

2813
02:12:25,850 --> 02:12:23,280
the actuality was picked up by other

2814
02:12:28,910 --> 02:12:25,860
major media and it didn't start actually

2815
02:12:31,430 --> 02:12:28,920
with that terrific pair of articles by

2816
02:12:33,890 --> 02:12:31,440
Leslie Kane and Ralph Blumenthal and the

2817
02:12:36,169 --> 02:12:33,900
other time staff writer in December it

2818
02:12:38,450 --> 02:12:36,179
started some months before when Ralph

2819
02:12:41,330 --> 02:12:38,460
Blumenthal took a trip up to Syracuse

2820
02:12:44,149 --> 02:12:41,340
New York and interviewed the UFO

2821
02:12:46,370 --> 02:12:44,159
statistician Cheryl Costa that didn't

2822
02:12:49,370 --> 02:12:46,380
get the play that the December articles

2823
02:12:50,810 --> 02:12:49,380
did but the times took it seriously you

2824
02:12:52,970 --> 02:12:50,820
are talking to probably the only person

2825
02:12:55,089 --> 02:12:52,980
you will ever speak to who was crazy

2826
02:12:58,069 --> 02:12:55,099
enough over the years to download

2827
02:13:00,770 --> 02:12:58,079
originally analog copying machines

2828
02:13:04,790 --> 02:13:00,780
microfiche and then digital every

2829
02:13:07,069 --> 02:13:04,800
article every commentary every editorial

2830
02:13:08,930 --> 02:13:07,079
every letter to the editor and every

2831
02:13:11,530 --> 02:13:08,940
photo caption that the times ever

2832
02:13:16,750 --> 02:13:11,540
published regarding flying saucers

2833
02:13:21,530 --> 02:13:16,760
unidentified aerial discs UFOs uaps

2834
02:13:23,750 --> 02:13:21,540
230 odd pieces over 70 odd years that I

2835
02:13:25,970 --> 02:13:23,760
then put together and read and re-read

2836
02:13:27,830 --> 02:13:25,980
and reread in order and change as an

2837
02:13:30,290 --> 02:13:27,840
artist I think out of the box and I knew

2838
02:13:33,709 --> 02:13:30,300
if I kept doing it I'd see a pattern

2839
02:13:39,229 --> 02:13:33,719
whether it was a caption or a small

2840
02:13:41,810 --> 02:13:39,239
report on page 16 from 1954 or they went

2841
02:13:43,850 --> 02:13:41,820
out of their minds in 1952 with the

2842
02:13:46,310 --> 02:13:43,860
Washington DC overflights one day they

2843
02:13:48,350 --> 02:13:46,320
had seven articles and they were all

2844
02:13:50,569 --> 02:13:48,360
can't be there for it isn't could have

2845
02:13:52,729 --> 02:13:50,579
been this once again Shakespeare me

2846
02:13:54,709 --> 02:13:52,739
thinks the lady death protests too much

2847
02:13:56,930 --> 02:13:54,719
right and all of a sudden they turn

2848
02:13:58,669 --> 02:13:56,940
around and isn't it interesting whatever

2849
02:14:01,669 --> 02:13:58,679
your political beliefs or affiliations

2850
02:14:05,390 --> 02:14:01,679
or feelings it doesn't matter whether

2851
02:14:07,729 --> 02:14:05,400
you go to Fox or CNBC or this incredibly

2852
02:14:09,410 --> 02:14:07,739
conservative website or this incredibly

2853
02:14:12,770 --> 02:14:09,420
liberal website

2854
02:14:17,030 --> 02:14:12,780
everybody is giving UFOs

2855
02:14:19,250 --> 02:14:17,040
respect there are exceptions but that

2856
02:14:21,229 --> 02:14:19,260
coupled with the fact that this was a

2857
02:14:22,970 --> 02:14:21,239
career killer for politicians for

2858
02:14:25,129 --> 02:14:22,980
scientists for astronomers for any kind

2859
02:14:27,770 --> 02:14:25,139
of professional for teachers Academia

2860
02:14:30,770 --> 02:14:27,780
hated it entertainers entertainers

2861
02:14:33,109 --> 02:14:30,780
journalists newscasters radio hosts

2862
02:14:35,510 --> 02:14:33,119
correct there you go yes what concerns

2863
02:14:38,209 --> 02:14:35,520
me right now is something that somebody

2864
02:14:40,490 --> 02:14:38,219
posted in some feed that I read a few

2865
02:14:43,250 --> 02:14:40,500
weeks ago it was just one sentence and

2866
02:14:44,930 --> 02:14:43,260
it hit me it was for most people the

2867
02:14:47,990 --> 02:14:44,940
whole UFO thing is entertainment I

2868
02:14:49,910 --> 02:14:48,000
thought wait what and I thought you

2869
02:14:51,530 --> 02:14:49,920
watch very little UFO television a lot

2870
02:14:54,649 --> 02:14:51,540
of people in the field watch lots of it

2871
02:14:58,669 --> 02:14:54,659
and I know there's good stuff but

2872
02:15:00,770 --> 02:14:58,679
it's been so deeply ingrained into our

2873
02:15:02,750 --> 02:15:00,780
popular culture into the world of films

2874
02:15:05,109 --> 02:15:02,760
into the world of advertising which has

2875
02:15:08,629 --> 02:15:05,119
been another research specialty of mine

2876
02:15:10,370 --> 02:15:08,639
that for most people and many people in

2877
02:15:13,189 --> 02:15:10,380
the field who would have been called

2878
02:15:17,510 --> 02:15:13,199
researchers and investigators years ago

2879
02:15:20,030 --> 02:15:17,520
are now essentially entertainers and

2880
02:15:22,250 --> 02:15:20,040
I thought this is the way that the world

2881
02:15:24,169 --> 02:15:22,260
is moving everybody that's in it wants

2882
02:15:26,990 --> 02:15:24,179
to keep the attention and wants to keep

2883
02:15:28,550 --> 02:15:27,000
the attention on themselves I joked with

2884
02:15:32,209 --> 02:15:28,560
a number of colleagues well-known

2885
02:15:35,330 --> 02:15:32,219
colleagues not that long ago about the

2886
02:15:38,089 --> 02:15:35,340
scramble that would happen when this

2887
02:15:40,910 --> 02:15:38,099
process started to happen where you know

2888
02:15:43,550 --> 02:15:40,920
whether you're Wolf Blitzer or what's

2889
02:15:46,250 --> 02:15:43,560
the snook with the bow tie on Fox Tucker

2890
02:15:48,290 --> 02:15:46,260
um there you go that they were going to

2891
02:15:50,870 --> 02:15:48,300
essentially emerge as the true spokesman

2892
02:15:53,569 --> 02:15:50,880
of UFO scholarship because they had

2893
02:15:56,030 --> 02:15:53,579
studied it for the past year and leaving

2894
02:15:59,089 --> 02:15:56,040
all the people that have been doing the

2895
02:16:01,790 --> 02:15:59,099
grunt work for you know decades kind of

2896
02:16:03,350 --> 02:16:01,800
in the dust and a lot of us take that

2897
02:16:06,050 --> 02:16:03,360
personally you know we worked hard to

2898
02:16:07,490 --> 02:16:06,060
get some acknowledgment and here is it

2899
02:16:09,109 --> 02:16:07,500
possible we're going to be left behind

2900
02:16:10,609 --> 02:16:09,119
you know which one of us is going to

2901
02:16:13,310 --> 02:16:10,619
emerge is the one they really want to

2902
02:16:15,470 --> 02:16:13,320
hear right and you know I can laugh at

2903
02:16:17,930 --> 02:16:15,480
it because I could care less I will

2904
02:16:19,609 --> 02:16:17,940
always have my own modest audience I

2905
02:16:22,010 --> 02:16:19,619
will always have something to say that I

2906
02:16:24,589 --> 02:16:22,020
hope will be of value and importance I

2907
02:16:27,649 --> 02:16:24,599
know how to communicate and use language

2908
02:16:31,790 --> 02:16:27,659
in a way that's effective and to tell a

2909
02:16:35,750 --> 02:16:33,770
is done in a manner that can hold

2910
02:16:37,490 --> 02:16:35,760
people's attention we all remember a

2911
02:16:39,110 --> 02:16:37,500
favorite teacher in High School junior T

2912
02:16:41,509 --> 02:16:39,120
High School College Elementary School

2913
02:16:42,889 --> 02:16:41,519
they were the one that inspired us to do

2914
02:16:45,530 --> 02:16:42,899
this that or the other thing how did

2915
02:16:47,629 --> 02:16:45,540
they do it they knew their work they

2916
02:16:49,730 --> 02:16:47,639
were enthusiastic about it they loved

2917
02:16:50,809 --> 02:16:49,740
the subject they taught but they knew

2918
02:16:52,429 --> 02:16:50,819
how to do it in a way that was

2919
02:16:54,410 --> 02:16:52,439
entertaining and there's nothing wrong

2920
02:16:57,049 --> 02:16:54,420
with that but the difference between

2921
02:16:58,429 --> 02:16:57,059
that and certain people I won't name who

2922
02:17:01,370 --> 02:16:58,439
are essentially functioning as

2923
02:17:04,009 --> 02:17:01,380
entertainers in the UFO business and

2924
02:17:05,509 --> 02:17:04,019
some of them doing quite well at it is

2925
02:17:07,790 --> 02:17:05,519
not the same thing and that's something

2926
02:17:09,889 --> 02:17:07,800
we have to be wary of as we move forward

2927
02:17:13,370 --> 02:17:09,899
into what I think will be a more and

2928
02:17:16,009 --> 02:17:13,380
more acceleratingly exciting time where

2929
02:17:18,950 --> 02:17:16,019
so many people that could have well put

2930
02:17:20,270 --> 02:17:18,960
it this way over the past 10 years so

2931
02:17:22,129 --> 02:17:20,280
many people

2932
02:17:24,110 --> 02:17:22,139
who could have cared less in the past

2933
02:17:27,770 --> 02:17:24,120
what other people think about what they

2934
02:17:29,629 --> 02:17:27,780
think about UFOs now are very verbal

2935
02:17:31,849 --> 02:17:29,639
about it I hear from people I knew in

2936
02:17:34,849 --> 02:17:31,859
elementary school junior high school

2937
02:17:36,770 --> 02:17:34,859
high school people from all parts of my

2938
02:17:38,270 --> 02:17:36,780
life who have been contacting me more

2939
02:17:41,150 --> 02:17:38,280
and more the last two or three years

2940
02:17:42,530 --> 02:17:41,160
I've been following your work or I Came

2941
02:17:45,290 --> 02:17:42,540
Upon This thing and I wonder if it was

2942
02:17:47,389 --> 02:17:45,300
the same Peter Robbins this is you've

2943
02:17:49,190 --> 02:17:47,399
really been into this this long and I

2944
02:17:51,469 --> 02:17:49,200
read your article or I saw you on this

2945
02:17:54,410 --> 02:17:51,479
show or I read your

2946
02:17:56,750 --> 02:17:54,420
and I'm interested now and I'm learning

2947
02:17:58,790 --> 02:17:56,760
about it and I'm listening to shows I

2948
02:18:00,709 --> 02:17:58,800
went to a conference

2949
02:18:05,870 --> 02:18:00,719
this can't be bad

2950
02:18:08,330 --> 02:18:05,880
now is is as quick as it ramped up

2951
02:18:12,049 --> 02:18:08,340
from uh you know we can point to

2952
02:18:14,089 --> 02:18:12,059
December 2017. but there were other

2953
02:18:17,509 --> 02:18:14,099
things that were you know going on at

2954
02:18:21,169 --> 02:18:17,519
the same time and but but the ramp up

2955
02:18:24,169 --> 02:18:21,179
was quick it was deliberate and the

2956
02:18:29,270 --> 02:18:24,179
mainstream media was suddenly on our

2957
02:18:32,750 --> 02:18:29,280
side but now over the last month

2958
02:18:37,129 --> 02:18:32,760
it seems like it's gone away

2959
02:18:40,190 --> 02:18:37,139
and don't you find that interesting very

2960
02:18:43,009 --> 02:18:40,200
interesting it's like a wave came in in

2961
02:18:45,830 --> 02:18:43,019
the Bay of Fundy and went all the way up

2962
02:18:48,469 --> 02:18:45,840
to beyond the shoreline and then receded

2963
02:18:51,770 --> 02:18:48,479
back miles and it's taking its time

2964
02:18:56,330 --> 02:18:51,780
coming in again one can

2965
02:18:58,250 --> 02:18:56,340
possibly attributed to a sensibility of

2966
02:19:00,370 --> 02:18:58,260
um we're kind of on overload on this

2967
02:19:03,110 --> 02:19:00,380
let's cut back on our UFO coverage

2968
02:19:05,509 --> 02:19:03,120
everybody's been blasted with it for the

2969
02:19:07,370 --> 02:19:05,519
last year you know we'll we'll come back

2970
02:19:10,070 --> 02:19:07,380
on it but let's see how they're reacting

2971
02:19:13,849 --> 02:19:10,080
now and start to cover other things or

2972
02:19:15,950 --> 02:19:13,859
that there is a quiet concerted effort

2973
02:19:18,889 --> 02:19:15,960
to

2974
02:19:22,009 --> 02:19:18,899
look over there folks not over here

2975
02:19:23,270 --> 02:19:22,019
um we you don't have to be a paranoid to

2976
02:19:25,910 --> 02:19:23,280
know that somebody's following you a

2977
02:19:29,089 --> 02:19:25,920
phrase I love and I am not a

2978
02:19:31,669 --> 02:19:29,099
conspiracist well I don't see you know

2979
02:19:34,190 --> 02:19:31,679
um Men In Black behind every tree hold

2980
02:19:36,950 --> 02:19:34,200
on repeat that you and I know Peter

2981
02:19:38,750 --> 02:19:36,960
history is defined by conspiracies Peter

2982
02:19:40,730 --> 02:19:38,760
repeat that you don't have to be

2983
02:19:45,770 --> 02:19:40,740
paranoid to

2984
02:19:47,809 --> 02:19:45,780
that someone is following you okay I I

2985
02:19:50,450 --> 02:19:47,819
just stole that that's the English

2986
02:19:52,250 --> 02:19:50,460
professor of mine uh night school at NYU

2987
02:19:54,710 --> 02:19:52,260
okay so I don't have to give him credit

2988
02:19:56,150 --> 02:19:54,720
I can just keep this seven years ago I I

2989
02:19:57,950 --> 02:19:56,160
don't think he'll be on your case man

2990
02:20:00,410 --> 02:19:57,960
that is just awesome

2991
02:20:03,110 --> 02:20:00,420
and that is mine I'm gonna make a

2992
02:20:06,349 --> 02:20:03,120
t-shirt thank you Peter

2993
02:20:08,750 --> 02:20:06,359
um but yeah and and see the thing is uh

2994
02:20:12,110 --> 02:20:08,760
we and you just said it you know so

2995
02:20:14,690 --> 02:20:12,120
elegantly that we shouted for years for

2996
02:20:18,290 --> 02:20:14,700
attention we finally get the attention

2997
02:20:22,309 --> 02:20:18,300
that to me felt strange it was like our

2998
02:20:25,130 --> 02:20:22,319
little private fun zone is now public

2999
02:20:27,349 --> 02:20:25,140
right okay so now it's pop and now it's

3000
02:20:28,250 --> 02:20:27,359
pulled back and now I'm angry about that

3001
02:20:32,050 --> 02:20:28,260
too

3002
02:20:36,290 --> 02:20:34,250
it's like

3003
02:20:38,330 --> 02:20:36,300
you know sometimes you got to go with

3004
02:20:39,950 --> 02:20:38,340
philosophers as Tony Soprano would say

3005
02:20:45,070 --> 02:20:39,960
what are you gonna do what are you gonna

3006
02:20:48,889 --> 02:20:45,080
do about it and uh now what can we do

3007
02:20:53,090 --> 02:20:48,899
how do we get our foot back on the gas

3008
02:20:55,370 --> 02:20:53,100
I think what we can do is what we do at

3009
02:20:58,849 --> 02:20:55,380
our best which is continue to put

3010
02:21:02,450 --> 02:20:58,859
forward quality information in a way

3011
02:21:03,950 --> 02:21:02,460
that people want to hear it and it's you

3012
02:21:07,250 --> 02:21:03,960
know all of us

3013
02:21:10,849 --> 02:21:07,260
the way I see it we're not showmen show

3014
02:21:13,370 --> 02:21:10,859
women we're Educators but education the

3015
02:21:15,530 --> 02:21:13,380
word is boring in itself but that's what

3016
02:21:17,929 --> 02:21:15,540
we're all about I've worked for decades

3017
02:21:20,270 --> 02:21:17,939
wherever possible to couch whatever

3018
02:21:23,090 --> 02:21:20,280
project I'm self-developing because with

3019
02:21:25,450 --> 02:21:23,100
the rare exceptions of taking on a

3020
02:21:28,849 --> 02:21:25,460
commission or an assignment I find

3021
02:21:31,429 --> 02:21:28,859
stories projects that really interest me

3022
02:21:34,429 --> 02:21:31,439
and that's the drive mechanism and

3023
02:21:37,670 --> 02:21:34,439
almost all of them are well couched in

3024
02:21:39,349 --> 02:21:37,680
post-war 20th century history citing all

3025
02:21:43,130 --> 02:21:39,359
of the historic details and players

3026
02:21:46,210 --> 02:21:43,140
around the story that I'm trying to tell

3027
02:21:48,590 --> 02:21:46,220
so that a rational

3028
02:21:50,929 --> 02:21:48,600
skeptic and we should all be rational

3029
02:21:53,150 --> 02:21:50,939
Skeptics who could care less about the

3030
02:21:54,710 --> 02:21:53,160
subject in part because they and their

3031
02:21:56,330 --> 02:21:54,720
parents and sometimes their grandparents

3032
02:21:58,070 --> 02:21:56,340
were conditioned not to take it

3033
02:22:01,910 --> 02:21:58,080
seriously we'll say

3034
02:22:05,090 --> 02:22:01,920
this one interests me enough that I can

3035
02:22:06,889 --> 02:22:05,100
get them into the allegorical foyer and

3036
02:22:09,830 --> 02:22:06,899
leave it to other colleagues to get them

3037
02:22:13,750 --> 02:22:09,840
into the living room but for me it's

3038
02:22:16,670 --> 02:22:13,760
about educating people in a way that

3039
02:22:18,530 --> 02:22:16,680
they'll listen to and after a while you

3040
02:22:21,230 --> 02:22:18,540
get to know your own voice and where it

3041
02:22:23,030 --> 02:22:21,240
works and where it doesn't so we all

3042
02:22:25,490 --> 02:22:23,040
need to keep doing what we're doing you

3043
02:22:27,410 --> 02:22:25,500
need to do what I'm doing and that

3044
02:22:31,010 --> 02:22:27,420
you're doing anyway which is have

3045
02:22:33,050 --> 02:22:31,020
interesting guests who are worthy of our

3046
02:22:35,210 --> 02:22:33,060
respect and yet can hold your attention

3047
02:22:38,690 --> 02:22:35,220
for two or three hours you know my

3048
02:22:40,370 --> 02:22:38,700
format on most of my shows it's so many

3049
02:22:41,990 --> 02:22:40,380
of the people that are colleagues of

3050
02:22:43,190 --> 02:22:42,000
ours friends of ours some of the best

3051
02:22:45,830 --> 02:22:43,200
known most respected people

3052
02:22:48,410 --> 02:22:45,840
internationally in UFO and paranormal

3053
02:22:50,450 --> 02:22:48,420
research what I do differently thinking

3054
02:22:52,849 --> 02:22:50,460
I want everybody in your audience

3055
02:22:54,349 --> 02:22:52,859
everybody that listens to Coast to Coast

3056
02:22:56,750 --> 02:22:54,359
everybody that listens to the smallest

3057
02:22:58,849 --> 02:22:56,760
podcast but the audience I want most are

3058
02:23:01,910 --> 02:22:58,859
the people that have never listened to

3059
02:23:04,130 --> 02:23:01,920
this stuff before the way that I'm

3060
02:23:06,889 --> 02:23:04,140
trying to remeliorate this and make it

3061
02:23:10,010 --> 02:23:06,899
work for everybody is I bring somebody

3062
02:23:11,750 --> 02:23:10,020
on usually who we all all know we in

3063
02:23:14,929 --> 02:23:11,760
that small group of us that are the

3064
02:23:17,510 --> 02:23:14,939
choir and are preached to and say we

3065
02:23:18,889 --> 02:23:17,520
know who you are we think we do we've

3066
02:23:21,050 --> 02:23:18,899
read your books we've seen you in

3067
02:23:23,570 --> 02:23:21,060
documentaries we've watched you at

3068
02:23:25,490 --> 02:23:23,580
conferences you've signed our books but

3069
02:23:27,889 --> 02:23:25,500
how did you become the person you are

3070
02:23:29,170 --> 02:23:27,899
and give them a full two hours to tell

3071
02:23:33,650 --> 02:23:29,180
their life story

3072
02:23:35,750 --> 02:23:33,660
and it's working and I have been bowled

3073
02:23:37,849 --> 02:23:35,760
over a lot of people

3074
02:23:39,469 --> 02:23:37,859
at the highest levels of the game have

3075
02:23:40,429 --> 02:23:39,479
said nobody ever asked me to do that

3076
02:23:44,030 --> 02:23:40,439
before

3077
02:23:47,270 --> 02:23:44,040
and on they come it's amazing the lineup

3078
02:23:48,590 --> 02:23:47,280
that I've had I am so grateful to all

3079
02:23:50,630 --> 02:23:48,600
these wonderful people who have come on

3080
02:23:53,090 --> 02:23:50,640
and some of them have had extraordinary

3081
02:23:55,070 --> 02:23:53,100
courage in talking about things that

3082
02:23:57,550 --> 02:23:55,080
none of us ever knew about them I mean

3083
02:23:59,809 --> 02:23:57,560
tragedies that they've surmounted

3084
02:24:02,929 --> 02:23:59,819
extraordinary things that they have gone

3085
02:24:07,130 --> 02:24:02,939
through how they got inspired that

3086
02:24:09,830 --> 02:24:07,140
mixture of shock sadness hysterically

3087
02:24:12,170 --> 02:24:09,840
funny stuff fascinating stuff that's the

3088
02:24:14,510 --> 02:24:12,180
fabric of Our Lives that they weave

3089
02:24:16,730 --> 02:24:14,520
together almost always fully Illustrated

3090
02:24:19,610 --> 02:24:16,740
with photos they Supply me in photos

3091
02:24:22,849 --> 02:24:19,620
that I find to help us tell their story

3092
02:24:25,730 --> 02:24:22,859
and then at the end you know I'm also

3093
02:24:27,710 --> 02:24:25,740
there to help them sell their books and

3094
02:24:29,929 --> 02:24:27,720
their documentaries and where they're

3095
02:24:32,150 --> 02:24:29,939
going to be next I mean these are people

3096
02:24:34,070 --> 02:24:32,160
I care about we're all in this together

3097
02:24:36,950 --> 02:24:34,080
I don't see any of us really in

3098
02:24:39,410 --> 02:24:36,960
competition it's just my attitude but it

3099
02:24:41,690 --> 02:24:39,420
works we are all in this together and we

3100
02:24:44,510 --> 02:24:41,700
need to support each other's work and

3101
02:24:46,010 --> 02:24:44,520
keep doing it at a high quality what do

3102
02:24:49,130 --> 02:24:46,020
you think about you and I aren't going

3103
02:24:52,130 --> 02:24:49,140
to be around forever and it's what yeah

3104
02:24:54,050 --> 02:24:52,140
exactly and it's funny how you get to a

3105
02:24:56,389 --> 02:24:54,060
certain age and then you start to

3106
02:24:58,790 --> 02:24:56,399
realize how precious life is right you

3107
02:25:02,150 --> 02:24:58,800
really do but what do you what do you

3108
02:25:04,190 --> 02:25:02,160
think about some of these uh these

3109
02:25:06,650 --> 02:25:04,200
youngsters that were passing the torch

3110
02:25:09,170 --> 02:25:06,660
to pretty impressive

3111
02:25:11,990 --> 02:25:09,180
yes it is uh 10 years ago I was

3112
02:25:16,309 --> 02:25:12,000
concerned where is this next Generation

3113
02:25:20,210 --> 02:25:16,319
coming from and then they started to

3114
02:25:22,270 --> 02:25:20,220
appear uh I think it was eight or nine

3115
02:25:25,130 --> 02:25:22,280
years ago that I got a call from a guy

3116
02:25:28,070 --> 02:25:25,140
in New York that I had some things in

3117
02:25:30,469 --> 02:25:28,080
common with in terms of my life that I

3118
02:25:32,690 --> 02:25:30,479
lived in Off-Broadway theater and my

3119
02:25:34,790 --> 02:25:32,700
theater training uh as well as an

3120
02:25:37,130 --> 02:25:34,800
interest in ufology who asked me to

3121
02:25:40,130 --> 02:25:37,140
Mentor him and we'd meet for breakfast

3122
02:25:42,770 --> 02:25:40,140
once a month and talk and he grew up to

3123
02:25:44,929 --> 02:25:42,780
become Ryan Sprague and

3124
02:25:47,270 --> 02:25:44,939
um a guy I met at a conference who is

3125
02:25:49,010 --> 02:25:47,280
certainly my contemporary gave a talk

3126
02:25:51,410 --> 02:25:49,020
about a woman who had worked at

3127
02:25:53,690 --> 02:25:51,420
Wright-Patterson who was privy to

3128
02:25:56,270 --> 02:25:53,700
information her name was June Crane and

3129
02:25:57,889 --> 02:25:56,280
this man's name was James Clarkson one

3130
02:26:00,110 --> 02:25:57,899
of the finest investigators I've ever

3131
02:26:03,590 --> 02:26:00,120
known and one of the nicest people and

3132
02:26:06,610 --> 02:26:03,600
he asked me the same thing and boy Jim

3133
02:26:10,010 --> 02:26:06,620
is out there now I am so proud of being

3134
02:26:13,250 --> 02:26:10,020
of assistance the same way that when I

3135
02:26:16,130 --> 02:26:13,260
was next to nobody I mean well I had one

3136
02:26:19,490 --> 02:26:16,140
major cachet I was Bud Hopkins assistant

3137
02:26:21,710 --> 02:26:19,500
okay I have that but when I contacted

3138
02:26:24,590 --> 02:26:21,720
people like Timothy good out of the blue

3139
02:26:26,990 --> 02:26:24,600
and he wrote me back on his beautiful

3140
02:26:29,270 --> 02:26:27,000
stationery and signed those letters with

3141
02:26:31,550 --> 02:26:29,280
the fountain pen and encouraged me to do

3142
02:26:33,950 --> 02:26:31,560
the work and when we finally met you

3143
02:26:36,230 --> 02:26:33,960
know Tim was a very fine

3144
02:26:38,809 --> 02:26:36,240
um violinist and violist and a session

3145
02:26:41,510 --> 02:26:38,819
musician who not only worked for years

3146
02:26:43,190 --> 02:26:41,520
with the London Philharmonic but worked

3147
02:26:45,170 --> 02:26:43,200
with every favorite rocker you can

3148
02:26:48,590 --> 02:26:45,180
imagine and where did he ask me to meet

3149
02:26:52,250 --> 02:26:48,600
him at Abbey Road Studios I Met George

3150
02:26:56,290 --> 02:26:52,260
Martin that day I got to go into listen

3151
02:27:00,590 --> 02:26:56,300
to him and a 50-piece Orchestra score

3152
02:27:02,570 --> 02:27:00,600
a Spanish film and it was in I think

3153
02:27:05,870 --> 02:27:02,580
Studio Seven where they did All You Need

3154
02:27:08,990 --> 02:27:05,880
Is Love Stanton freed me Friedman in 87

3155
02:27:11,450 --> 02:27:09,000
when I asked him I told him that his

3156
02:27:13,969 --> 02:27:11,460
talk on Donald K Menzel The Secret Life

3157
02:27:15,710 --> 02:27:13,979
of Donald K Menzel was the finest piece

3158
02:27:17,630 --> 02:27:15,720
of research I had ever heard given an

3159
02:27:20,570 --> 02:27:17,640
election and that's what I wanted to do

3160
02:27:23,630 --> 02:27:20,580
and he helped me to get started at that

3161
02:27:27,710 --> 02:27:23,640
point in doing that other people as well

3162
02:27:29,990 --> 02:27:27,720
you know Pay It Forward I I am happy to

3163
02:27:32,389 --> 02:27:30,000
be an asset for somebody that would like

3164
02:27:33,950 --> 02:27:32,399
some assistance uh I think I would have

3165
02:27:36,530 --> 02:27:33,960
written a lot more books if I hadn't

3166
02:27:38,389 --> 02:27:36,540
spent so much of my time

3167
02:27:39,950 --> 02:27:38,399
working with other people but you know

3168
02:27:43,070 --> 02:27:39,960
what that's fine too I couldn't care

3169
02:27:45,530 --> 02:27:43,080
less now uh in the short time that we

3170
02:27:47,990 --> 02:27:45,540
have left I'm not going to let this go

3171
02:27:51,650 --> 02:27:48,000
and I wouldn't be doing my job if I

3172
02:27:57,290 --> 02:27:51,660
didn't uh Circle back oh the new book

3173
02:28:02,030 --> 02:27:57,300
you described it as organic why

3174
02:28:05,510 --> 02:28:02,040
because the writing process is being

3175
02:28:07,969 --> 02:28:05,520
determined by

3176
02:28:10,250 --> 02:28:07,979
where my interest is at the moment now

3177
02:28:13,190 --> 02:28:10,260
that it's I'll I'll let me say it this

3178
02:28:15,650 --> 02:28:13,200
way when I was trained as a painter

3179
02:28:18,070 --> 02:28:15,660
um and I started out in very traditional

3180
02:28:21,170 --> 02:28:18,080
forms and as an art student

3181
02:28:22,670 --> 02:28:21,180
in New York at a time when many of my my

3182
02:28:25,730 --> 02:28:22,680
fellow students were already getting

3183
02:28:28,370 --> 02:28:25,740
into their adult work I was doing

3184
02:28:31,670 --> 02:28:28,380
something that was almost embarrassing

3185
02:28:34,490 --> 02:28:31,680
for my teachers I was recreating in the

3186
02:28:37,130 --> 02:28:34,500
manner of Picasso's blue period or

3187
02:28:40,309 --> 02:28:37,140
syrah's pointless paintings or seeing

3188
02:28:44,330 --> 02:28:40,319
what it was like to paint part of a a

3189
02:28:46,309 --> 02:28:44,340
Gogan or a Cezanne just to see what it

3190
02:28:48,410 --> 02:28:46,319
felt like to do it and part of the

3191
02:28:50,770 --> 02:28:48,420
process if you're working in a pointless

3192
02:28:53,450 --> 02:28:50,780
manner which I did for about a year

3193
02:28:56,090 --> 02:28:53,460
you're doing this with a brush you're

3194
02:28:57,950 --> 02:28:56,100
making thousands of dots on a canvas and

3195
02:29:00,170 --> 02:28:57,960
after a while you're going into

3196
02:29:00,950 --> 02:29:00,180
something of an altered state because of

3197
02:29:02,630 --> 02:29:00,960
this

3198
02:29:05,750 --> 02:29:02,640
thing that's happening in front of you

3199
02:29:08,630 --> 02:29:05,760
but when you really start going at it

3200
02:29:12,469 --> 02:29:08,640
part of the enjoyment is I'm working

3201
02:29:14,630 --> 02:29:12,479
over here with a medium Cerulean blue

3202
02:29:17,630 --> 02:29:14,640
and I'm looking over there and I say

3203
02:29:19,969 --> 02:29:17,640
I could put an orange dot over there

3204
02:29:21,349 --> 02:29:19,979
that's going to look really cool in

3205
02:29:23,270 --> 02:29:21,359
terms of the

3206
02:29:25,910 --> 02:29:23,280
I'll do that I'm really looking forward

3207
02:29:28,429 --> 02:29:25,920
to that and just go to it once you've

3208
02:29:31,610 --> 02:29:28,439
got a manuscript that's starting to take

3209
02:29:33,550 --> 02:29:31,620
shape and it now is at a point

3210
02:29:41,090 --> 02:29:33,560
where

3211
02:29:44,210 --> 02:29:41,100
to really push to make it something it's

3212
02:29:45,770 --> 02:29:44,220
now at that Tipping Point and it has a

3213
02:29:48,889 --> 02:29:45,780
life of its own

3214
02:29:51,530 --> 02:29:48,899
now you can go back into chapter three

3215
02:29:55,309 --> 02:29:51,540
and flush out those three paragraphs

3216
02:29:59,270 --> 02:29:55,319
there jump to chapter seven work on that

3217
02:30:01,250 --> 02:29:59,280
stop work on notes for footnoting that

3218
02:30:03,290 --> 02:30:01,260
you're going to have to do a researcher

3219
02:30:06,250 --> 02:30:03,300
that you want to contact about a detail

3220
02:30:09,170 --> 02:30:06,260
in this particular aspect of it

3221
02:30:11,929 --> 02:30:09,180
that's what I mean by organic rather

3222
02:30:14,150 --> 02:30:11,939
than you sit down and you mechanically

3223
02:30:16,010 --> 02:30:14,160
I'm gonna finish this goddamn chapter

3224
02:30:17,870 --> 02:30:16,020
right now because I'm going to finish it

3225
02:30:20,450 --> 02:30:17,880
even though

3226
02:30:23,090 --> 02:30:20,460
I'm not enjoying what I'm doing right

3227
02:30:24,650 --> 02:30:23,100
now why did I start to write in the

3228
02:30:26,990 --> 02:30:24,660
first place there was some enjoyment to

3229
02:30:29,510 --> 02:30:27,000
it wasn't there right it's sometimes the

3230
02:30:31,730 --> 02:30:29,520
case with great art and great writers

3231
02:30:34,250 --> 02:30:31,740
you get stuck having to produce a

3232
02:30:35,929 --> 02:30:34,260
product that's being expected of you and

3233
02:30:40,550 --> 02:30:35,939
you've lost

3234
02:30:42,349 --> 02:30:40,560
that I won't say childlike but that the

3235
02:30:44,389 --> 02:30:42,359
pure joy of the creative process

3236
02:30:46,550 --> 02:30:44,399
happening under your own hand in one way

3237
02:30:50,570 --> 02:30:46,560
or another that's what I mean by organic

3238
02:30:52,610 --> 02:30:50,580
uh I don't want to end this conversation

3239
02:30:55,969 --> 02:30:52,620
so we're going to keep going

3240
02:31:00,530 --> 02:30:55,979
we're doing overtime Peter this was not

3241
02:31:03,190 --> 02:31:00,540
an ending we've got to come up with the

3242
02:31:06,530 --> 02:31:03,200
right sentence

3243
02:31:07,849 --> 02:31:06,540
at the end of the paragraph So let's

3244
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take a break right here we'll be right

3245
02:31:12,950 --> 02:31:10,620
back Peter Robbins overtime but again

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02:31:14,570 --> 02:31:12,960
you saw this coming this is Fade to

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am your host Jimmy Church there's a

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reason why this is the greatest show in

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all of Talk Radio in all of the world

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it's guests like Peter Robbins what a

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great conversation tonight on The Game

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Changer Network in kgra the planet we

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02:36:56,450 --> 02:36:53,340
are heading into overtime and and Peter

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02:37:00,650 --> 02:36:56,460
when I get into overtime normally what I

3354
02:37:04,070 --> 02:37:00,660
like to do is remove some stress but we

3355
02:37:06,590 --> 02:37:04,080
haven't stressed out tonight so

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02:37:07,670 --> 02:37:06,600
um but I'm now I'm going to catch you

3357
02:37:10,130 --> 02:37:07,680
off guard

3358
02:37:12,650 --> 02:37:10,140
okay all right I guarantee you've never

3359
02:37:18,290 --> 02:37:12,660
been asked this question before

3360
02:37:22,250 --> 02:37:20,990
I love that reaction he's like what kind

3361
02:37:25,070 --> 02:37:22,260
of pizza and you're just talking about

3362
02:37:28,370 --> 02:37:25,080
it doesn't matter it doesn't I'm telling

3363
02:37:31,790 --> 02:37:28,380
you right now the question is the best

3364
02:37:34,910 --> 02:37:31,800
hole in the wall yes a Waverly Place

3365
02:37:39,410 --> 02:37:34,920
I don't remember the name it's a slice

3366
02:37:43,070 --> 02:37:39,420
place it's two bucks a slice and it's

3367
02:37:45,590 --> 02:37:43,080
phenomenal it's

3368
02:37:50,150 --> 02:37:45,600
it's just about the best pizza I have

3369
02:37:51,530 --> 02:37:50,160
ever had in a classic thin slice not too

3370
02:37:54,050 --> 02:37:51,540
much

3371
02:37:58,490 --> 02:37:54,060
um tomato sauce just the right amount of

3372
02:38:00,889 --> 02:37:58,500
cheese very thin very crispy crust

3373
02:38:03,110 --> 02:38:00,899
but how can how can we sell order two

3374
02:38:05,270 --> 02:38:03,120
slices you want to order them one at a

3375
02:38:07,490 --> 02:38:05,280
time so they're each equally hot when

3376
02:38:09,250 --> 02:38:07,500
you get them I'm damned if I remember

3377
02:38:12,410 --> 02:38:09,260
the name of it right now

3378
02:38:16,670 --> 02:38:12,420
but it's off of Waverly Place and it's

3379
02:38:19,070 --> 02:38:16,680
right at about the Sixth Avenue cut off

3380
02:38:21,590 --> 02:38:19,080
good luck finding it okay

3381
02:38:25,309 --> 02:38:21,600
um I uh

3382
02:38:28,610 --> 02:38:25,319
last time I was in New York uh

3383
02:38:30,530 --> 02:38:28,620
I think we're on 36th in between 6th and

3384
02:38:33,469 --> 02:38:30,540
seventh okay

3385
02:38:37,070 --> 02:38:33,479
and so we take off make a right we

3386
02:38:38,990 --> 02:38:37,080
crossed uh uh right in front of uh

3387
02:38:41,090 --> 02:38:39,000
Madison Square Garden right so we walk

3388
02:38:43,550 --> 02:38:41,100
in front of Madison Square make it right

3389
02:38:45,830 --> 02:38:43,560
we cross the street and we're going up

3390
02:38:47,450 --> 02:38:45,840
and I was like man I want pizza looked

3391
02:38:49,849 --> 02:38:47,460
across the street now Madison Square

3392
02:38:52,010 --> 02:38:49,859
Garden is to my right I can see it right

3393
02:38:55,070 --> 02:38:52,020
okay and then okay now the buildings

3394
02:38:57,530 --> 02:38:55,080
right right and there's a pizza plate

3395
02:39:01,670 --> 02:38:57,540
doesn't matter we go back across the

3396
02:39:03,530 --> 02:39:01,680
street walk in just ah you know nobody

3397
02:39:07,490 --> 02:39:03,540
pointing Us in the direction of good

3398
02:39:09,530 --> 02:39:07,500
pizza walked in got a slice sat down

3399
02:39:15,410 --> 02:39:09,540
took a bite

3400
02:39:21,170 --> 02:39:18,050
the top of your mouth oh it was it

3401
02:39:25,070 --> 02:39:21,180
turned beyond recognition it was so

3402
02:39:27,469 --> 02:39:25,080
so delicious right and it was like it

3403
02:39:29,570 --> 02:39:27,479
was it was insane it was insane it was

3404
02:39:32,030 --> 02:39:29,580
like this is so many small mom and pop

3405
02:39:35,929 --> 02:39:32,040
shops still around New York this is God

3406
02:39:38,450 --> 02:39:35,939
it's just just let's go there and that

3407
02:39:40,370 --> 02:39:38,460
was the decision and and that's what

3408
02:39:42,770 --> 02:39:40,380
happens in New York and I I just don't

3409
02:39:46,849 --> 02:39:42,780
get it I I don't get it

3410
02:39:49,309 --> 02:39:46,859
um now next question yeah

3411
02:39:50,270 --> 02:39:49,319
New York has got the best museums in the

3412
02:39:52,490 --> 02:39:50,280
world

3413
02:39:55,010 --> 02:39:52,500
well period it certainly has some of

3414
02:39:58,010 --> 02:39:55,020
them right okay

3415
02:40:01,250 --> 02:39:58,020
but the Met

3416
02:40:03,290 --> 02:40:01,260
when you go into the exactly right when

3417
02:40:06,290 --> 02:40:03,300
you go into the Met do you go right or

3418
02:40:08,870 --> 02:40:06,300
left or do you go up the stairs

3419
02:40:10,250 --> 02:40:08,880
I've been there so often since I was a

3420
02:40:14,690 --> 02:40:10,260
kid right

3421
02:40:16,610 --> 02:40:14,700
um to the left is Greek and Roman and um

3422
02:40:18,469 --> 02:40:16,620
uh Mediterranean to the right of course

3423
02:40:21,309 --> 02:40:18,479
you're going into the Egyptian tombs

3424
02:40:25,250 --> 02:40:21,319
straight up the stairs you're going into

3425
02:40:27,469 --> 02:40:25,260
uh 10th Century Asian Pottery on the

3426
02:40:29,110 --> 02:40:27,479
right and on the left heading into the

3427
02:40:31,730 --> 02:40:29,120
painting section

3428
02:40:34,969 --> 02:40:31,740
it's what the mood strikes me at the

3429
02:40:36,290 --> 02:40:34,979
time or what you know I need a hit of uh

3430
02:40:39,830 --> 02:40:36,300
and

3431
02:40:42,469 --> 02:40:39,840
you've hit me in the heart here this is

3432
02:40:46,190 --> 02:40:42,479
one of my favorite places on the entire

3433
02:40:49,490 --> 02:40:46,200
planet Earth that's right and it's

3434
02:40:52,490 --> 02:40:49,500
it elevates the soul it makes the spirit

3435
02:40:54,530 --> 02:40:52,500
soar if you just walk in and just keep

3436
02:40:57,830 --> 02:40:54,540
walking straight back on the right

3437
02:41:01,309 --> 02:40:57,840
you hit the medieval armor section which

3438
02:41:02,870 --> 02:41:01,319
I remember as a little boy just

3439
02:41:05,269 --> 02:41:02,880
and I remember

3440
02:41:08,570 --> 02:41:05,279
last time I was there about a year and a

3441
02:41:11,090 --> 02:41:08,580
half ago plus as a big boy you get right

3442
02:41:15,530 --> 02:41:11,100
right great art

3443
02:41:17,929 --> 02:41:15,540
Never Dies and I feel kind of Wishful

3444
02:41:20,870 --> 02:41:17,939
sometimes for people that weren't as

3445
02:41:24,410 --> 02:41:20,880
fortunate as I was to be brought up in

3446
02:41:26,630 --> 02:41:24,420
and near New York City and had parents

3447
02:41:28,790 --> 02:41:26,640
and my dad's parents who lived in

3448
02:41:30,710 --> 02:41:28,800
Manhattan my mom's parents lived in

3449
02:41:32,870 --> 02:41:30,720
Queens learned different things from

3450
02:41:35,330 --> 02:41:32,880
both of them but from the time before I

3451
02:41:37,730 --> 02:41:35,340
can remember my grandparents were taking

3452
02:41:39,469 --> 02:41:37,740
me to the Met to the Beloved Museum of

3453
02:41:42,530 --> 02:41:39,479
Natural History even to the Museum of

3454
02:41:46,370 --> 02:41:42,540
Modern Art to the fire department Museum

3455
02:41:48,110 --> 02:41:46,380
to the Museum of the city of New York I

3456
02:41:50,230 --> 02:41:48,120
fell in love with museums as a little

3457
02:41:54,889 --> 02:41:50,240
boy and I will go to almost any Museum

3458
02:41:56,870 --> 02:41:54,899
anywhere and just find a way to have a

3459
02:41:59,030 --> 02:41:56,880
great time one of the most sobering

3460
02:42:01,790 --> 02:41:59,040
museums now in New York City in the

3461
02:42:04,670 --> 02:42:01,800
world is the one on the site of the

3462
02:42:07,370 --> 02:42:04,680
original Trade Center it's

3463
02:42:08,510 --> 02:42:07,380
you see a modern structure and you think

3464
02:42:11,090 --> 02:42:08,520
that's it

3465
02:42:13,730 --> 02:42:11,100
that's just the foyer in the entrance

3466
02:42:16,450 --> 02:42:13,740
way it's something like I don't know how

3467
02:42:19,190 --> 02:42:16,460
many hundred thousand feet under ground

3468
02:42:21,650 --> 02:42:19,200
not hundreds of thousands of feet but

3469
02:42:24,230 --> 02:42:21,660
the floor space you know you see the

3470
02:42:28,130 --> 02:42:24,240
fire engines that were squashed down to

3471
02:42:31,870 --> 02:42:28,140
the width of you know a uh a voice

3472
02:42:35,150 --> 02:42:31,880
basket you see every artifact imaginable

3473
02:42:36,230 --> 02:42:35,160
and I don't want to wax too much on this

3474
02:42:38,690 --> 02:42:36,240
but

3475
02:42:41,090 --> 02:42:38,700
I love New York it's my favorite place

3476
02:42:42,950 --> 02:42:41,100
to be I don't live there now I live out

3477
02:42:45,769 --> 02:42:42,960
in the countryside in central New York

3478
02:42:48,769 --> 02:42:45,779
state but I am a

3479
02:42:51,469 --> 02:42:48,779
for the past 30 odd years a specialty

3480
02:42:53,330 --> 02:42:51,479
New York City walking tour guide whether

3481
02:42:56,510 --> 02:42:53,340
it's corporate clients old friends

3482
02:42:59,750 --> 02:42:56,520
Couples from you know Sweden or wherever

3483
02:43:02,030 --> 02:42:59,760
or the Midwest we design walking tours

3484
02:43:04,250 --> 02:43:02,040
and we do it until their their feet fall

3485
02:43:06,710 --> 02:43:04,260
off it's

3486
02:43:08,630 --> 02:43:06,720
The History of the United States is

3487
02:43:12,730 --> 02:43:08,640
caught up in New York City as much or

3488
02:43:15,830 --> 02:43:12,740
more as it is in Boston or Philadelphia

3489
02:43:18,590 --> 02:43:15,840
or any of the original East Coast you

3490
02:43:21,889 --> 02:43:18,600
know 13 colonies locations I never get

3491
02:43:24,769 --> 02:43:21,899
tired of it the Museum of the outdoors

3492
02:43:27,469 --> 02:43:24,779
of some of the greatest architecture of

3493
02:43:29,929 --> 02:43:27,479
you know the 19th and 20th century is

3494
02:43:32,510 --> 02:43:29,939
right there around you every time I walk

3495
02:43:33,530 --> 02:43:32,520
down the streets there that I've walked

3496
02:43:36,410 --> 02:43:33,540
down

3497
02:43:38,389 --> 02:43:36,420
800 a thousand times like a tourist

3498
02:43:40,969 --> 02:43:38,399
looking for some architectural detail

3499
02:43:43,670 --> 02:43:40,979
that I've missed on my first thousand

3500
02:43:46,370 --> 02:43:43,680
walks I love the city

3501
02:43:49,250 --> 02:43:46,380
um and I can't separate that interest

3502
02:43:52,610 --> 02:43:49,260
from other interests interests feed each

3503
02:43:55,969 --> 02:43:52,620
other in a very real way I love the

3504
02:44:00,110 --> 02:43:55,979
museums in London I love museums in

3505
02:44:03,469 --> 02:44:00,120
small towns they when I was a little boy

3506
02:44:06,650 --> 02:44:03,479
about seven years old I made a museum in

3507
02:44:08,990 --> 02:44:06,660
our front room then it had to get moved

3508
02:44:11,090 --> 02:44:09,000
down to the basement it had a stuffed

3509
02:44:13,429 --> 02:44:11,100
squirrel with a nut in its mouth that my

3510
02:44:16,070 --> 02:44:13,439
grandfather had given me much to my

3511
02:44:18,830 --> 02:44:16,080
mother's Chagrin lots of bugs with pins

3512
02:44:20,150 --> 02:44:18,840
in them rocks minerals coins from other

3513
02:44:23,269 --> 02:44:20,160
countries

3514
02:44:26,809 --> 02:44:23,279
different types of butterflies bark from

3515
02:44:29,929 --> 02:44:26,819
trees I love that stuff but a more I

3516
02:44:32,450 --> 02:44:29,939
love the sensibility it's kind of you

3517
02:44:34,250 --> 02:44:32,460
know the Smithsonian America's attic you

3518
02:44:36,170 --> 02:44:34,260
could go there every day for a year and

3519
02:44:38,570 --> 02:44:36,180
not see everything

3520
02:44:40,790 --> 02:44:38,580
um there are so many remarkable museums

3521
02:44:43,849 --> 02:44:40,800
on the National Mall you could you know

3522
02:44:46,070 --> 02:44:43,859
rent a flat in Washington and just go to

3523
02:44:48,910 --> 02:44:46,080
museums for six months and Not Duplicate

3524
02:44:51,710 --> 02:44:48,920
anything yeah yeah but for some people

3525
02:44:54,710 --> 02:44:51,720
and especially an art museum I don't get

3526
02:44:57,349 --> 02:44:54,720
Modern Art so I don't like really I feel

3527
02:44:59,750 --> 02:44:57,359
uncomfortable in museums because I love

3528
02:45:03,349 --> 02:44:59,760
nature well you can love nature and love

3529
02:45:06,410 --> 02:45:03,359
culture and for me that is one of the

3530
02:45:09,469 --> 02:45:06,420
great wrestling matches that thoughtful

3531
02:45:11,150 --> 02:45:09,479
people have for the whole life do I want

3532
02:45:14,090 --> 02:45:11,160
to put myself in a natural surrounding

3533
02:45:16,190 --> 02:45:14,100
and visit cultural places or live in the

3534
02:45:18,590 --> 02:45:16,200
middle of a big bustling wonderful City

3535
02:45:19,849 --> 02:45:18,600
and take breaks and head out into the

3536
02:45:20,750 --> 02:45:19,859
countryside

3537
02:45:23,870 --> 02:45:20,760
um

3538
02:45:25,849 --> 02:45:23,880
it's not the worst problem to have but

3539
02:45:28,070 --> 02:45:25,859
if you're the kind of person that feels

3540
02:45:31,849 --> 02:45:28,080
uncomfortable in museums

3541
02:45:33,050 --> 02:45:31,859
go on break the mold just go enjoy what

3542
02:45:35,389 --> 02:45:33,060
you can

3543
02:45:37,849 --> 02:45:35,399
that notion of I've got to take the

3544
02:45:39,650 --> 02:45:37,859
spare time and the luxury to learn about

3545
02:45:42,050 --> 02:45:39,660
this stuff to appreciate it more not

3546
02:45:43,610 --> 02:45:42,060
necessarily something beautiful or

3547
02:45:46,550 --> 02:45:43,620
meaningful is beautiful or meaningful

3548
02:45:48,309 --> 02:45:46,560
and something incredibly simple that my

3549
02:45:51,530 --> 02:45:48,319
kid could do it

3550
02:45:53,870 --> 02:45:51,540
often it has a deeper meaning and

3551
02:45:56,750 --> 02:45:53,880
whatever you feel it is is just as

3552
02:45:58,730 --> 02:45:56,760
legitimate as what the artist felt what

3553
02:46:01,969 --> 02:45:58,740
some Posh art critic thought about it

3554
02:46:05,530 --> 02:46:01,979
what a curator felt about it

3555
02:46:09,290 --> 02:46:05,540
yeah and one of uh uh

3556
02:46:12,469 --> 02:46:09,300
this is like my fondest memory that I've

3557
02:46:15,530 --> 02:46:12,479
constantly repeated and it's always

3558
02:46:18,650 --> 02:46:15,540
great is I go to the mat

3559
02:46:21,469 --> 02:46:18,660
go up those stairs walk in do my thing

3560
02:46:22,450 --> 02:46:21,479
for two hours three hours till my feet

3561
02:46:26,990 --> 02:46:22,460
are sore

3562
02:46:31,190 --> 02:46:27,000
walk back out down to a food truck

3563
02:46:32,210 --> 02:46:31,200
get a hot dog and a coke go sit on the

3564
02:46:35,750 --> 02:46:32,220
stairs

3565
02:46:38,389 --> 02:46:35,760
until my feet you know and look

3566
02:46:40,969 --> 02:46:38,399
right and just look out and look at it

3567
02:46:44,630 --> 02:46:40,979
all the people Fifth Avenue Fifth Avenue

3568
02:46:47,269 --> 02:46:44,640
it sit there eat the hot dog your feet

3569
02:46:50,090 --> 02:46:47,279
are better and then you go back in right

3570
02:46:53,090 --> 02:46:50,100
and and you do that two maybe two times

3571
02:46:55,190 --> 02:46:53,100
right that's about right I used to think

3572
02:46:56,990 --> 02:46:55,200
of it in the old days you know that the

3573
02:47:00,950 --> 02:46:57,000
penny you got to put a penny in the fuse

3574
02:47:03,769 --> 02:47:00,960
box it's like you're a four-year-old on

3575
02:47:05,450 --> 02:47:03,779
your third hour in the mat you just it

3576
02:47:07,670 --> 02:47:05,460
doesn't matter what you see it's not

3577
02:47:09,230 --> 02:47:07,680
getting through you've got to take a

3578
02:47:11,330 --> 02:47:09,240
break or you can walk behind the museum

3579
02:47:13,309 --> 02:47:11,340
and sit by the Alice in Wonderland

3580
02:47:17,389 --> 02:47:13,319
statue or just look at the beautiful

3581
02:47:19,190 --> 02:47:17,399
trees there and remember that Calvin vo

3582
02:47:20,090 --> 02:47:19,200
and

3583
02:47:22,670 --> 02:47:20,100
um

3584
02:47:26,030 --> 02:47:22,680
uh

3585
02:47:28,250 --> 02:47:26,040
I'm forgetting the name of the man who

3586
02:47:29,870 --> 02:47:28,260
literally designed Central Park it was

3587
02:47:33,050 --> 02:47:29,880
two men working together and I'll think

3588
02:47:34,790 --> 02:47:33,060
of it in a moment but every tree was

3589
02:47:36,889 --> 02:47:34,800
placed where it is consciously a lot of

3590
02:47:38,929 --> 02:47:36,899
people think that they just put up you

3591
02:47:42,670 --> 02:47:38,939
know a Stone Gate

3592
02:47:46,210 --> 02:47:42,680
two and a half miles by half a mile

3593
02:47:49,790 --> 02:47:46,220
844 acres and that's at Central Park

3594
02:47:52,750 --> 02:47:49,800
everything was created was nuanced Hills

3595
02:47:55,309 --> 02:47:52,760
were flattened out swamps were filled

3596
02:47:57,530 --> 02:47:55,319
Frederick laws Olmsted who was one of

3597
02:48:01,030 --> 02:47:57,540
the the extraordinary the father of

3598
02:48:04,370 --> 02:48:01,040
landscape architecture what they did

3599
02:48:06,370 --> 02:48:04,380
just starting after the Civil War is

3600
02:48:08,750 --> 02:48:06,380
just one of the great social

3601
02:48:10,010 --> 02:48:08,760
accomplishments of all time and vo went

3602
02:48:13,309 --> 02:48:10,020
on and

3603
02:48:16,269 --> 02:48:13,319
um Olmsted went on to design over 500

3604
02:48:19,309 --> 02:48:16,279
other Parks Estates

3605
02:48:20,030 --> 02:48:19,319
Municipal you know finery

3606
02:48:22,250 --> 02:48:20,040
um

3607
02:48:24,110 --> 02:48:22,260
what New York City would be without that

3608
02:48:26,750 --> 02:48:24,120
Park none of us can even imagine Who

3609
02:48:28,610 --> 02:48:26,760
Loved New York it's the heart and soul

3610
02:48:30,889 --> 02:48:28,620
it's the place where hardcore New

3611
02:48:33,349 --> 02:48:30,899
Yorkers they actually think it's nature

3612
02:48:35,630 --> 02:48:33,359
I mean I'm well it's bigger than your

3613
02:48:36,790 --> 02:48:35,640
people I know it's bigger than people

3614
02:48:42,469 --> 02:48:36,800
think

3615
02:48:44,630 --> 02:48:42,479
it is Central Park is ginormous and I

3616
02:48:45,889 --> 02:48:44,640
can't tell you how many times uh you

3617
02:48:48,170 --> 02:48:45,899
know I've stayed at like the Hilton

3618
02:48:50,990 --> 02:48:48,180
Towers right and then just head up

3619
02:48:54,230 --> 02:48:51,000
seventh and and and walk into Central

3620
02:48:57,830 --> 02:48:54,240
Park yeah and and walk for like two

3621
02:48:59,630 --> 02:48:57,840
hours yeah and and think man I'm getting

3622
02:49:02,210 --> 02:48:59,640
tired I gotta turn around and then you

3623
02:49:04,210 --> 02:49:02,220
look and you look at the plaza oh right

3624
02:49:07,550 --> 02:49:04,220
you know and you're like

3625
02:49:10,070 --> 02:49:07,560
I haven't even dented this place right

3626
02:49:13,429 --> 02:49:10,080
also well that's it these two

3627
02:49:16,490 --> 02:49:13,439
Visionaries planned out something that

3628
02:49:18,410 --> 02:49:16,500
they knew was not going to become fully

3629
02:49:21,290 --> 02:49:18,420
operational in terms of tree growth for

3630
02:49:24,050 --> 02:49:21,300
100 years and you can almost any place

3631
02:49:27,710 --> 02:49:24,060
in the park stop and do a 360 and say

3632
02:49:30,889 --> 02:49:27,720
this is uncanny it's like watching one

3633
02:49:33,710 --> 02:49:30,899
of the great films and every frame

3634
02:49:36,290 --> 02:49:33,720
is perfectly composed that's not an

3635
02:49:38,330 --> 02:49:36,300
accident that's an act of love it's an

3636
02:49:42,650 --> 02:49:38,340
act of art it's an act of tremendous

3637
02:49:46,010 --> 02:49:42,660
hard work thousands of laborers many of

3638
02:49:48,250 --> 02:49:46,020
them black many of them Irish uh you

3639
02:49:51,170 --> 02:49:48,260
know spend their lives working creating

3640
02:49:53,630 --> 02:49:51,180
that extraordinary work of art unto

3641
02:49:56,269 --> 02:49:53,640
itself but yeah the Metropolitan Museum

3642
02:49:58,849 --> 02:49:56,279
of Art has got to be one of the great

3643
02:50:01,429 --> 02:49:58,859
locations in the world take your kids if

3644
02:50:05,030 --> 02:50:01,439
you go to New York go yourself go every

3645
02:50:07,910 --> 02:50:05,040
chance you can it's

3646
02:50:11,450 --> 02:50:07,920
it's a Museum's Museum again the British

3647
02:50:13,790 --> 02:50:11,460
museum the Los Angeles Museum every you

3648
02:50:18,469 --> 02:50:13,800
know um the the rock and roll Museum in

3649
02:50:20,630 --> 02:50:18,479
Cleveland it's it's wonderful it

3650
02:50:23,570 --> 02:50:20,640
it's one of the things that you should

3651
02:50:27,110 --> 02:50:23,580
take in in life and if you are a serious

3652
02:50:30,170 --> 02:50:27,120
student of UFOs and you feel you're

3653
02:50:33,590 --> 02:50:30,180
betraying your profession by taking time

3654
02:50:36,530 --> 02:50:33,600
to read a Clive Castle novel or a Robert

3655
02:50:41,389 --> 02:50:36,540
Ludlum novel or a history of this

3656
02:50:43,929 --> 02:50:41,399
subject or that or go to a museum you

3657
02:50:47,929 --> 02:50:43,939
should be working on your UFO stuff

3658
02:50:51,410 --> 02:50:47,939
lighten the F up and just enjoy yourself

3659
02:50:53,330 --> 02:50:51,420
sometimes we are all many of us get

3660
02:50:55,610 --> 02:50:53,340
overly serious in this work because it's

3661
02:50:58,370 --> 02:50:55,620
a damn serious subject it is and it

3662
02:51:00,410 --> 02:50:58,380
deserves the respect that it has at its

3663
02:51:02,809 --> 02:51:00,420
best but

3664
02:51:03,889 --> 02:51:02,819
I is a wonderful old Sicilian proverb

3665
02:51:06,650 --> 02:51:03,899
it's

3666
02:51:08,570 --> 02:51:06,660
um so beautiful in Italian but it

3667
02:51:10,910 --> 02:51:08,580
translates as living well is the best

3668
02:51:14,630 --> 02:51:10,920
revenge and

3669
02:51:16,969 --> 02:51:14,640
wherever you can you know for me

3670
02:51:19,910 --> 02:51:16,979
for all of us it doesn't matter how old

3671
02:51:22,250 --> 02:51:19,920
you are every moment should count and

3672
02:51:24,530 --> 02:51:22,260
kindness which is how I close my show

3673
02:51:27,230 --> 02:51:24,540
you know um

3674
02:51:27,830 --> 02:51:27,240
fight for what you believe in

3675
02:51:30,110 --> 02:51:27,840
um

3676
02:51:31,969 --> 02:51:30,120
oh there's another thing first uh stand

3677
02:51:34,670 --> 02:51:31,979
up for what you believe in ended by

3678
02:51:35,990 --> 02:51:34,680
saying and be kind to each other

3679
02:51:39,230 --> 02:51:36,000
um I'm not always kind to people

3680
02:51:42,769 --> 02:51:39,240
especially people who are a-holes

3681
02:51:47,450 --> 02:51:42,779
um I will shut them down but wherever

3682
02:51:50,510 --> 02:51:47,460
possible be kind because so many people

3683
02:51:54,290 --> 02:51:50,520
are suffering inside and that was us at

3684
02:51:57,349 --> 02:51:54,300
another time we are all in this together

3685
02:51:59,210 --> 02:51:57,359
kindness matters and

3686
02:52:01,910 --> 02:51:59,220
it's certainly not

3687
02:52:05,510 --> 02:52:01,920
um something that lessens your ability

3688
02:52:06,410 --> 02:52:05,520
to do your work in UFO studies

3689
02:52:08,389 --> 02:52:06,420
um

3690
02:52:10,309 --> 02:52:08,399
for me I think the greatest thing that

3691
02:52:12,590 --> 02:52:10,319
I've gotten out of this and I've gotten

3692
02:52:15,290 --> 02:52:12,600
beyond that point of

3693
02:52:17,450 --> 02:52:15,300
gee I hope before I die I find out where

3694
02:52:20,030 --> 02:52:17,460
they come from and how their machines

3695
02:52:23,510 --> 02:52:20,040
run and get to look at one and see an

3696
02:52:25,309 --> 02:52:23,520
alien you know suspended in fluid and

3697
02:52:27,230 --> 02:52:25,319
you know read the government documents

3698
02:52:28,730 --> 02:52:27,240
that EV you know are deeply deeply

3699
02:52:30,769 --> 02:52:28,740
classified

3700
02:52:33,830 --> 02:52:30,779
it'll happen it won't happen what

3701
02:52:35,929 --> 02:52:33,840
interests me most for some years now is

3702
02:52:38,990 --> 02:52:35,939
the impact of this subject on the lives

3703
02:52:40,429 --> 02:52:39,000
of human beings on Monday I did

3704
02:52:43,309 --> 02:52:40,439
something on my show that you know about

3705
02:52:44,929 --> 02:52:43,319
just two nights ago which was quietly

3706
02:52:46,610 --> 02:52:44,939
historic I don't think anybody in

3707
02:52:49,849 --> 02:52:46,620
broadcasting of any sort has ever done

3708
02:52:53,690 --> 02:52:49,859
it before I had a panel discussion of

3709
02:52:56,690 --> 02:52:53,700
five guests all women all mothers all

3710
02:52:59,090 --> 02:52:56,700
experiences and or UFO abductees who are

3711
02:53:02,210 --> 02:52:59,100
very active in the field

3712
02:53:04,370 --> 02:53:02,220
and those two hours were remarkable so

3713
02:53:06,349 --> 02:53:04,380
much so that I'm going to come back to

3714
02:53:08,750 --> 02:53:06,359
that every couple of months usually a

3715
02:53:11,030 --> 02:53:08,760
panel discussion on a UFO related show

3716
02:53:11,750 --> 02:53:11,040
is a bunch of guys and occasionally a

3717
02:53:13,190 --> 02:53:11,760
woman

3718
02:53:15,710 --> 02:53:13,200
but

3719
02:53:18,530 --> 02:53:15,720
I'm a feminist I think in the best sense

3720
02:53:21,710 --> 02:53:18,540
of the word I grew up with that core

3721
02:53:24,710 --> 02:53:21,720
message in life being women are the best

3722
02:53:27,590 --> 02:53:24,720
love women have them be your friends you

3723
02:53:29,450 --> 02:53:27,600
can't do any better I know I identify a

3724
02:53:31,130 --> 02:53:29,460
lot more with lesbians and my gay

3725
02:53:33,769 --> 02:53:31,140
friends nothing against any of my gay

3726
02:53:35,150 --> 02:53:33,779
friends who I love but why would anybody

3727
02:53:36,710 --> 02:53:35,160
want to be with a guy when they can be

3728
02:53:39,710 --> 02:53:36,720
with a woman I know that's going to

3729
02:53:41,510 --> 02:53:39,720
upset a few people but I'll just say it

3730
02:53:44,809 --> 02:53:41,520
here and

3731
02:53:46,490 --> 02:53:44,819
this show was wonderful and by the end

3732
02:53:49,670 --> 02:53:46,500
of the show and I mean we had some

3733
02:53:52,969 --> 02:53:49,680
extraordinary we had Deb White Cabell we

3734
02:53:53,870 --> 02:53:52,979
had Kathleen Martin Denise Stoner

3735
02:54:02,389 --> 02:53:53,880
um

3736
02:54:04,969 --> 02:54:02,399
and these women hauled ass I mean they

3737
02:54:07,130 --> 02:54:04,979
talked about stuff and the next show

3738
02:54:08,690 --> 02:54:07,140
a slightly different combination will be

3739
02:54:11,389 --> 02:54:08,700
coming on and they will pick up where

3740
02:54:14,690 --> 02:54:11,399
these amazing women left off

3741
02:54:17,150 --> 02:54:14,700
abduction is a very important subject

3742
02:54:18,230 --> 02:54:17,160
and it's the core subject I think we

3743
02:54:20,510 --> 02:54:18,240
need to

3744
02:54:22,429 --> 02:54:20,520
try to normalize with the largest amount

3745
02:54:24,830 --> 02:54:22,439
of people who are interested in the UFO

3746
02:54:27,769 --> 02:54:24,840
phenomena it's the most difficult most

3747
02:54:31,610 --> 02:54:27,779
complex most intimidating terrifying

3748
02:54:33,830 --> 02:54:31,620
upsetting Paradigm shifting sure event

3749
02:54:36,469 --> 02:54:33,840
in you know human perception history

3750
02:54:39,230 --> 02:54:36,479
well let me ask you this Peter uh this

3751
02:54:40,370 --> 02:54:39,240
is this is one of the things that uh

3752
02:54:42,290 --> 02:54:40,380
maybe we should have talked about it

3753
02:54:46,730 --> 02:54:42,300
earlier and we've only got about five

3754
02:54:48,530 --> 02:54:46,740
minutes but this you know the the

3755
02:54:51,110 --> 02:54:48,540
government being our best friend right

3756
02:54:55,570 --> 02:54:51,120
now when it comes to UFOs right okay all

3757
02:55:01,670 --> 02:54:55,580
right all right but it is from a very

3758
02:55:05,870 --> 02:55:01,680
focused uh military point of view

3759
02:55:08,389 --> 02:55:05,880
we're not hearing for you know why do

3760
02:55:13,130 --> 02:55:08,399
you expect the government to

3761
02:55:16,309 --> 02:55:13,140
uh continue this openness and and talk

3762
02:55:20,090 --> 02:55:16,319
about abductions and and talk about

3763
02:55:23,650 --> 02:55:20,100
these other things that the civilian

3764
02:55:27,230 --> 02:55:23,660
population is is going through

3765
02:55:30,830 --> 02:55:27,240
I think first of all the openness is a

3766
02:55:33,830 --> 02:55:30,840
completely staged openness and being the

3767
02:55:35,510 --> 02:55:33,840
government run by primarily very

3768
02:55:39,349 --> 02:55:35,520
powerful white guys like it's always

3769
02:55:42,349 --> 02:55:39,359
been who have big Egos and don't ever

3770
02:55:44,510 --> 02:55:42,359
want to look like they're not as strong

3771
02:55:47,030 --> 02:55:44,520
and powerful and masculine as they are

3772
02:55:48,710 --> 02:55:47,040
and once you admit that we're not alone

3773
02:55:51,830 --> 02:55:48,720
in the universe that there are other

3774
02:55:55,130 --> 02:55:51,840
intelligences that run circles around us

3775
02:55:58,670 --> 02:55:55,140
technologically in terms of their powers

3776
02:56:01,190 --> 02:55:58,680
to influence us Cloud our minds control

3777
02:56:02,870 --> 02:56:01,200
our perceptions right and maybe a

3778
02:56:05,570 --> 02:56:02,880
million years ahead of us or fifty

3779
02:56:07,730 --> 02:56:05,580
thousand who knows it's arbitrary I

3780
02:56:09,349 --> 02:56:07,740
think that insecurity people talk about

3781
02:56:11,030 --> 02:56:09,359
National security

3782
02:56:13,670 --> 02:56:11,040
at the Baseline it's really National

3783
02:56:18,950 --> 02:56:13,680
insecurity that these guys are caught up

3784
02:56:21,830 --> 02:56:18,960
in and it's the nature of armored man so

3785
02:56:24,170 --> 02:56:21,840
to say in in the organomic reikian term

3786
02:56:26,929 --> 02:56:24,180
to think in terms of defense and

3787
02:56:29,269 --> 02:56:26,939
aggression in the meantime yes people

3788
02:56:32,090 --> 02:56:29,279
are traumatized by these events but

3789
02:56:33,710 --> 02:56:32,100
equally if not more more and more people

3790
02:56:36,110 --> 02:56:33,720
are coming forward over the last year

3791
02:56:38,870 --> 02:56:36,120
saying the experience I had upon

3792
02:56:41,269 --> 02:56:38,880
reflection was Transcendent I learned

3793
02:56:43,670 --> 02:56:41,279
things from it I'm not afraid of these

3794
02:56:46,630 --> 02:56:43,680
beings these intelligences that I

3795
02:56:49,490 --> 02:56:46,640
interface with and

3796
02:56:50,750 --> 02:56:49,500
were the arguments we're asking the

3797
02:56:52,910 --> 02:56:50,760
wrong questions are they good are they

3798
02:56:54,830 --> 02:56:52,920
bad forget about that they're doing what

3799
02:56:56,510 --> 02:56:54,840
they're doing for their own reasons what

3800
02:56:58,370 --> 02:56:56,520
we need to remember is the greatest

3801
02:57:01,429 --> 02:56:58,380
likelihood is we're dealing with a

3802
02:57:04,450 --> 02:57:01,439
myriad of other intelligences from

3803
02:57:08,450 --> 02:57:04,460
different locations in the physical

3804
02:57:11,389 --> 02:57:08,460
Cosmos from different dimensions just as

3805
02:57:12,950 --> 02:57:11,399
likely one of each whom sitting right

3806
02:57:14,450 --> 02:57:12,960
next to you and me right now enjoying

3807
02:57:18,710 --> 02:57:14,460
this conversation as much as we are

3808
02:57:21,469 --> 02:57:18,720
they're just not corporeal and they some

3809
02:57:23,809 --> 02:57:21,479
of them may well mean us well and many

3810
02:57:26,210 --> 02:57:23,819
of them I would imagine there is concern

3811
02:57:29,150 --> 02:57:26,220
about the terrible job we are doing

3812
02:57:32,690 --> 02:57:29,160
being good Shepherds of our own home

3813
02:57:34,429 --> 02:57:32,700
what it comes down to is we Blue Oyster

3814
02:57:37,610 --> 02:57:34,439
Cult had a wonderful song years ago

3815
02:57:40,670 --> 02:57:37,620
called I am the one you warned me of we

3816
02:57:43,670 --> 02:57:40,680
are the ones we warned us of we are the

3817
02:57:45,530 --> 02:57:43,680
infestation we are the problem a lot of

3818
02:57:47,269 --> 02:57:45,540
it has to do with population which of

3819
02:57:51,110 --> 02:57:47,279
course you know you mentioned a word

3820
02:57:53,510 --> 02:57:51,120
about birth control or population and

3821
02:57:55,849 --> 02:57:53,520
you sound like a Nazi we have bred

3822
02:57:59,269 --> 02:57:55,859
ourselves crazy and we're now paying the

3823
02:58:02,990 --> 02:57:59,279
price it's feeding into climate change

3824
02:58:05,269 --> 02:58:03,000
we for me what it comes down to is if we

3825
02:58:07,610 --> 02:58:05,279
collectively and we'll hit a Tipping

3826
02:58:09,469 --> 02:58:07,620
Point hopefully at some point where more

3827
02:58:11,570 --> 02:58:09,479
people than not absolutely see

3828
02:58:12,830 --> 02:58:11,580
themselves first because of an

3829
02:58:14,570 --> 02:58:12,840
understanding that we're not alone in

3830
02:58:17,389 --> 02:58:14,580
their other intelligences as human

3831
02:58:19,910 --> 02:58:17,399
beings rather than Americans or

3832
02:58:23,150 --> 02:58:19,920
Christians or Muslims or Jews or black

3833
02:58:26,330 --> 02:58:23,160
or white or Asian or

3834
02:58:29,570 --> 02:58:26,340
other subdivisions men and women

3835
02:58:32,210 --> 02:58:29,580
it will threaten nationalism which

3836
02:58:34,190 --> 02:58:32,220
governments don't like but it will make

3837
02:58:36,170 --> 02:58:34,200
us potentially

3838
02:58:38,389 --> 02:58:36,180
come together in a way that we never

3839
02:58:41,090 --> 02:58:38,399
have before not necessarily out of fear

3840
02:58:44,570 --> 02:58:41,100
of the unknown of these other beings

3841
02:58:46,849 --> 02:58:44,580
but because we're ready to take the step

3842
02:58:49,309 --> 02:58:46,859
I do believe that there are ones that

3843
02:58:52,670 --> 02:58:49,319
are malignant and I am sure there are

3844
02:58:55,790 --> 02:58:52,680
ones that are beneficent we can't live

3845
02:58:58,429 --> 02:58:55,800
our lives in fear around them we have to

3846
02:59:02,090 --> 02:58:58,439
we should be living full enjoyable lives

3847
02:59:03,889 --> 02:59:02,100
helping other people as we go doing good

3848
02:59:05,750 --> 02:59:03,899
leaving our little corner of the earth a

3849
02:59:07,429 --> 02:59:05,760
little better than we found it and at

3850
02:59:09,469 --> 02:59:07,439
the same time have the courage to stand

3851
02:59:12,590 --> 02:59:09,479
up for what we believe in whenever

3852
02:59:16,130 --> 02:59:12,600
confronts us yeah because I mean it's

3853
02:59:18,889 --> 02:59:16,140
very simple you know if we go and we me

3854
02:59:21,950 --> 02:59:18,899
and and and some extraterrestrial

3855
02:59:23,630 --> 02:59:21,960
civilization something TC says you know

3856
02:59:25,610 --> 02:59:23,640
Peter what are you you're not going to

3857
02:59:27,290 --> 02:59:25,620
say well I'm an American you're going to

3858
02:59:30,170 --> 02:59:27,300
say I'm an Earthling

3859
02:59:33,830 --> 02:59:30,180
what what what would that mean to I'm a

3860
02:59:37,010 --> 02:59:33,840
Canadian what what does that mean we are

3861
02:59:39,830 --> 02:59:37,020
certainly immature if we approach it

3862
02:59:41,389 --> 02:59:39,840
that way we are earthlings and then

3863
02:59:43,370 --> 02:59:41,399
really that's it that's it there's

3864
02:59:45,830 --> 02:59:43,380
nothing more

3865
02:59:48,830 --> 02:59:45,840
Peter thank you so much my friend what a

3866
02:59:52,010 --> 02:59:48,840
great conversation and uh let's not uh

3867
02:59:54,230 --> 02:59:52,020
wait a few years uh to the next time

3868
02:59:56,510 --> 02:59:54,240
good enough all right um I'll be happy

3869
02:59:58,370 --> 02:59:56,520
to return as long as I get paid the same

3870
03:00:01,070 --> 02:59:58,380
amount I'm getting this time checks in

3871
03:00:02,570 --> 03:00:01,080
the mail check your PayPal outstanding

3872
03:00:05,510 --> 03:00:02,580
I'll talk to you Peter have a great

3873
03:00:07,910 --> 03:00:05,520
night thank you so much man Peter

3874
03:00:10,090 --> 03:00:07,920
Robbins again all of Peter's information

3875
03:00:11,750 --> 03:00:10,100
is over at

3876
03:00:13,130 --> 03:00:11,760
jimmychurchradio.com what a great

3877
03:00:14,630 --> 03:00:13,140
conversation thank you Peter for doing

3878
03:00:16,730 --> 03:00:14,640
overtime with us

3879
03:00:18,590 --> 03:00:16,740
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03:00:21,230 --> 03:00:18,600
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03:00:35,269 --> 03:00:32,340
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03:00:46,969 --> 03:00:45,240
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03:00:54,530 --> 03:00:52,500
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03:00:57,650 --> 03:00:54,540
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03:01:00,650 --> 03:00:57,660
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03:01:02,090 --> 03:01:00,660
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